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Great Britain Perfins?

 
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Posted 01/15/2011   11:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add bfranton to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm very much out of my "zone" here, so hope someone will be kind.
Think I'm in need of a Stanley Gibbons. But I really didn't know perfins dated back this far. A short lesson please.



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Posted 01/16/2011   12:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
b, Gibbons won't be a source for identifying private perfins, but it has 1,001 other benefits.
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Posted 01/16/2011   12:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bfranton to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can you help with the stamps? Beyond early Britain, I've no clue to those either.
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Posted 01/16/2011   01:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Perfin Society. Goal, to record all British perfins.
http://www.angelfire.com/pr/perfinsoc/

Stamps are of Queen Victoria, QV, Queen Vickie, etc.

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1884 Stanley Gibbons #188 1-1/2d Lilac = Used GBP (Great Britain Pounds) 35.00 = USD $50.00 from SG Concise 2005
Watermark Inverted = GBP 180.00

1884 SG #194 6d Dull Green = Used GBP 200.00 .
Watermark Inverted Sideways add another GBP 100.00 approx.

Nice cancels by the way.

Not sure if the eprfins would devalue or add value, depending on the collector I suppose.

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Posted 01/16/2011   03:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
W&S/I is from Wrinch & Sons Ltd, St Lawrence Works, Ipswich. This is first recorded in 1885.

SPS is from Smith, Payne & Smith, Bankers, 1 Lombard St, London. This is first recorded in 1880.

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Posted 01/16/2011   10:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add backroads to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have no answers but I am just going to piggy-back on your question. I was aware of the 1880s as having perfins, but when I was checking a bunch of #33 for plate numbers, I ran across these. They must have an even earlier date - though not necessarily. Also would like the name of a GB Perfin catalogue similar to the old Walburn for Canada.









And this one which I am not even certain is a perfin as if simply has a row of 3 holes but ones which are obviously punched and are the same size as the pins in the other machines.





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Posted 01/16/2011   11:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This first one's quite hard to read especially as it runs over the edge of the stamp. I guess it's GR/W (GR over W) which is from Great Western Railway Co. A die like this is first recorded in 1869.

I can't find the second one. There are a few MB/&Co dies for different companies in my catalogue but not this one.

The last one looks like Feltoe & Sons, Wine Merchants, London W. If so it should be 13.5mm wide. This is first recorded in 1872. The postmark is from Putney which isn't far away.

I'm using an old edition of the standard British catalogue, The Tomkins Catalogue of Identifed G.B. Perfins.
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Posted 01/16/2011   11:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
b, in the Scott world, the numbers would be 99 and 105, respectively.
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Posted 01/16/2011   12:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi All

A friend of mine who collects British perfins has informed me that there are about 20,000 known patterns used throughout the UK. He also states that most authorities on the topic feel that this is only half of what is available. I believe Germany comes in second with 'almost' as much.

Chimo

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Posted 01/16/2011   12:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bfranton to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks much to everyone. A good "find" then.
There are some more, I think. I'll post if you like.
What is the probability of the same stamp perfin'd
and not perforated, but just canceled? High?
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