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Exposición De Industrias De Madrid

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Posted 01/29/2016   4:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
...anyone?

Quote:
I do no understand how to positively identify the originals. Hope someone can help?


I would imagine this to be the kind of out-of-main-stream thing that interests you, floortrader
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Posted 01/30/2016   11:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tazzmann30 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my collection that I believe is complete with every shade, every denomination both mint and Cancelled within Exposition.
Enjoy !























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Posted 01/30/2016   11:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
tazzman - that's an impressive display of shades, thanks for sharing.

I observe all the cancellations on your stamps are similar to the cancellations on mine. Presume this is a strong indication this was the postmark used during the actual exposition.

I understand most specimens found of this particular issue are reprints or forgeries. Do you know any method to identify the authentic ones?
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Posted 01/31/2016   11:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

BLAAMAND----Beautiful pages with the shades but they are all reprints .
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Posted 01/31/2016   11:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
TAZZMANN-----Beautiful pages with all the shades ,very colorful and all the fake cancels makes for a interesting collection ,but again none are real .
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Posted 01/31/2016   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From my collection ---

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Posted 01/31/2016   12:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cursus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not an expert on this issue (I don't collect Spain) but I can read Spanish and in my 2005 Filabo Specialized Catalog I found the following picture:





The first is the only real cancellation, the other two are false. That is:
Date between lines
Four letters month. "OCTU." for October; "NOVI." for November and a point at the end.
Circle external diameter: 30 mm

In general, all pastel colour shades are very likely to be reprints/fakes. Paper of reprints/fakes, also, is thinner than the real ones.

As I said before, most stamps of the issue found now on the market are reprints or fakes.

The Edifil Specialized Cat. don't even list this issue. And, that, means something...
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Posted 01/31/2016   4:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for trying to clarify

Cursus - your feedback is very helpful - thanks a lot I have no full postmarks, but can still use the info to exclude most of my cancelled stamps. At least the cancel is fake, so no reason to think the stamp should be authentic.

Floortrader - much appreciated. Ha ha, I was quite sure you would have a reference page for this issue - as you seem to have something made up for any other odd stuff. Can you share with us what enables you to judge with seemingly absolute confidence - what are your indicators?

Quote:
"Reprints are larger than the originals"

Do you have the qualifying dimensions? The stamp on the right below has quite different shade and is considerably smaller (shorter but more fat) than the others. Does this qualify?



As Cursus I am absolutely no expert on these, but I must say the almost optical white papers on your originals made me suspicious. Unfortunately the info from Filabo Specialized is not promising for your originals. Just sayin...
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Posted 02/13/2016   11:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jorgesurcl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


King Alfonso XIII and Queen Victoria Eugenia
(The King was stamp collector)



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Posted 10/28/2018   4:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Manu33 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

Here is the picture of my card with the complete collection.




Sorry to be late but I met some problem to load them.

Thanks to have a look on them
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Edited by Manu33 - 10/28/2018 4:50 pm
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Posted 10/28/2018   6:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Alfonso's royal inbreeding (Habsburg jaw) is more obvious on the photograph than it is on the cinderellas.
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Posted 10/29/2018   01:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Manu33 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, Bookbndrbob,

But, as I said before, I am not an expert in stamps and I am french. So, It is difficult for me to understand the specific vocabulary....

What is a Cinderella ? What is "Inbreeding" (the only translation I found in french is "cosanguinité = "same blood"...)

Could you explain to me, please
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Posted 10/29/2018   02:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Manu33, I believe the equivalent term in French is timbre de fantaisie. In broadest terms, it is anything that looks like a postage stamp but is not a postage stamp.

Indeed, inbreeding = cosanguinité.
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Posted 10/29/2018   02:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cursus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Inbreeding"? Not so for Alfonso XIII. Her mother was (true) an Habsburg, hence the jaw. But his father was a Bourbon and he was the grandson of a Isabel II's general (she, was well known for her promiscuity).
I'm not, by any means, fond of Spanish monarchy. But...Better know them...
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Edited by Cursus - 10/29/2018 02:55 am
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Posted 10/29/2018   05:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it's still inbreeding, on the Habsburg side, as you yourself said. One outcross certainly does not eliminate the problems associated with inbreeding; it takes several generations. This "outcross" did not prevent hemophilia in sons Alfonso and Gonzalo.
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