Stitch Watermark Question

I posted these on a seperate thread but they should be here to go along with the great info already started. Both these stamps are Nova Scotia 8.5cent - Both have original thick heavy gum. When I looked at the first one sometime ago I thought stitch but also thought it could have been indented by weight of something. Months later I receive this other that has the same distinct markings but this time both vertical and horizontal crossing each other. When looked at with fluid it definatly has a strong stitch look but again the thick shiny gum makes it look almost like an impression. I wonder during the paper making process if they would have used a vertical and horizontal stitch to increase width and length of paper at same time? Almost looks to obvious but all others I've seen have been on used no gum copies . Top 2 pics are the new copy and botom 3 are first copy. Both are very well centered .

nitrolures, very interesting to say the least. I think you have a beautiful stamp. I have two concerns about the stitch design: The stitch design seems to be much wider than the ½ cent small queen in the earlier post, almost half the number of stitches. The other part that troubles me is how obvious the stitches are on the stamp. If they were that obvious, there should be plenty of pictures available to go by. Have you thought about getting the stamps expertized at all? If it is a valid stitched paper, it would definitely be worth the certificate.
Regardless, a wonderful stamp either way!

Here's an example of a stich watermark stamp is a 7vi from an ebay auction (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-1855...m484604da9d)

The Nova Scotia stamp does not have a stitch watermark. The marks are from the perforation holes on the sheet that was stacked next to this one on the pile. If you measure the "stitches," you'll likely find them to be the same gauge as the perf holes.



Re: the Cartier stamp with the stitch watermark - great example. (I just wish the other side of the stamp looked as nice). The "stitch" came from the seam where the two ends of the roller cloth came together. The wet goop that was the paper being made would pick up that pattern from the stitches, as you can see. All watermarks are made in a similar fashion - the wet paper would pick up the pattern from bits applied to the rollers (on purpose).

I did realize the NS copy was a perf indent and not a stitch- I posted on another thread as I actually found another so dug deeper on the whole subject. I did read somewhere what the dimensions of the paper making process were and just how unlikely these are to appear. Basically the stitched mesh was only on to make the paper longer so when these appear vert and hor it is due to how the paper was cut prior to printing not an actual different durection in the stitch. I'm sure there is someone compiling info but will it ever make it to scotts for us or SG for uk is probably dependant on what is found and auctioned in the future. Assuming most places used the same paper making process I am surprised we don't see many other country issues. I would imagine Uk/ germany et all would have this on some issuesbut if not in catalog why would anyone check non wmk paper.

It's interesting that this discussion just came up.
Only today I sent a used 10c (#40) Small Queen for expertizing.
It appears to have a clear horizontal stitch watermark. (like the other examples shown).
As mentioned, this can occur on many different stamps.
If it turns out to be good, it will be the first reported on a 10c Small Queen.
I am so looking forward to getting an opinion.

Here is a scan of a 3 cent Small Queen with a vertical stitch watermark.




I also have a pair of 2 cent Small Queens, one with a vertical stitch and the other with a horizontal stitch.

I will try to get better scans using the VSC6000 next week

GJP

Got it!
Just received my stamp back from Vincent Graves Greene Foundation and I was correct.
My #40 (10c SQ) has a horizontal stitch watermark - as far as I know, the only one discovered on a 10c.

Not sure how I can get a scan to share, but I am very excited about it.

Wow ! that is amazing Dadeo. Congrats on a nice find !

Thanks Coriandre. These are few and far between for sure.
I will likely put it up for auction and hope for the best.
I often use varieties that I find to help fund my main Canada collection.

I try to do the same Dadeo but have yet to find a stich watermark. I would love to see a scan of yours ! If the stamp is in good condition, you should do very well in an auction.

I will try to get a scan, though I might do better with a photo using a slight angle to catch the shadows. Or I might try a photo in fluid.
It will be interesting to try.

... and how can we verify if there are stichmarks? ultra violet lamp? Soak in the watermark fluid?

Forget my questionning I did not know there was 3 more pages to read... I got my answer....sorry and happy for 3dadeo

New to the forum and came across this series of posts on stitch watermarks. I have a number of them including several on SQ. Dadeo, I also have a 10-cent SQ with stitch watermark that has a VGG cert. What did you do with yours? I've got certifed stitch watermarks on 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 10 cent SQs. Anybody found one on an 8-cent?