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Northwest Russia: Army Of The North Stamps

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Posted 09/10/2011   5:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Pskov issues, ie Army of the Northwest, above are possible forgeries, my Russian language Russian Catalog shows only one issue with a surcharge a 10k on a 7k, IE Scott#110. This set has 15 or 16. It appears that the Russian Cat & Scott's are at odd's on the surcharged version. Scott has 10k over a 5k, AotNW #14, but that is mentioned as only a footnote in the Russian Cat, then Scotts omits the Russian recognized surcharge entirely.
The Red overprints are trial printings.

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Posted 09/10/2011   6:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi BAYERN1kreuzer,

You appear to have overwritten your image of the Pskov issue stamps.
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Posted 09/10/2011   6:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for correcting the image.

These stamps are listed in SG from left to right as SG16, 20, 8, 9, 10, 12 & 13.

The only surcharges listed in SG are SG11 20k on 14k (an overprint on a Russian surcharge), SG20 10k on 5k (above surcharge on SG7) and SG20a which has the 10k surcharge inverted.
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Edited by nigelc - 09/10/2011 6:26 pm
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Posted 09/10/2011   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good Details BAYERN1kruezer!
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Posted 09/11/2011   01:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vasia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In an old article in the Rossica Journal (#51, page 42), the well-known collector A. Rosselevitch provides an elaborate method of dissecting lines on the overprints to determine their authenticity.



Here is the application of his method on my 2k IMPERF of this issue (unissued as per the note in Scott), which also bears expert signatures on the back (Rosselevitch's and others):





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Posted 09/11/2011   02:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Even better details!
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Posted 09/11/2011   12:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vasia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bayern,

I would suggest using a painting tool and drawing the lines through the letters as suggested by Rosselevitch. The differences between genuine and forged overprints on the relative placement of the letters are such that a superposition of the overprints is not accurate enough.

Below is an overprint I consider a forgery based on the intersecting-lines approach:



Compare line D with the same line on the genuine overprint above.
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Posted 06/18/2012   5:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This Army of the North philatelic cover is now on ebay, with the Moloskovitsy cancel dated 11/9/19, the same date as the block in my earlier post.



http://www.ebay.com/itm/230810288843
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Posted 12/01/2012   12:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I finally got the missing 5k block used (I previously posted the other 4 I got on ebay)



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Posted 12/01/2012   8:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Art Strohmeier to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Utilizing the criteria mentioned, I checked my 'Army of the North' Stamps, #1-5, of which I have 1-3 per each; all counterfeit, it appears. On the 'South Russia' stamps, what criteria is used to differentiate the forgeries vs. genuine? (I have the 7, 20, 35, 36, 38, 69, 70 and 71;) The first 5 in MNH and the last 3, New, previously hinged)
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Posted 04/15/2013   2:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimboy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Everyone,

Came across this (see scan) and was wondering if anybody could help me?

1. Are the stamps genuine?
2. If genuine are they worth anything?

Thanking you in advance.

Jimboy


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Posted 04/17/2013   11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is a nice looking piece jimboy. It is hard to tell if it is genuine at that resolution.

If genuine it is philatelic use, probably cancelled to order, but would still be worth far more than mint stamps.
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Posted 07/14/2016   1:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good people, any idea of what postmark this might be?



Probably Pskov, correct?
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Edited by KGB - 07/14/2016 1:08 pm
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Posted 07/14/2016   3:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is actually a portion of the Moloskovitsy cancel. See the cover above.
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Thank you, Bee; I knew I could count on you!
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