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Most Unique New Zealand Qe Stamp?identify It Please.

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Posted 08/01/2008   5:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add miko to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
hello,this is the first time I have ever encountered stamp like this and think it is very unique very much.there are only 7 tiny holes on top of the stamp,3 in the middle and 2 on both side(alot smaller than a normal hole).supposed to have 13 holes all together.where are the rest of the holes between them?.between the holes look flat.i wish to know what happend to the top perforation holes?i was wondering if this stamp separated from the booklet or block from the sheet.have you ever seen stamp like this before and is it common?




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Posted 08/01/2008   6:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nr-notrare to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Miko....

Some one cut this stamp with a pair of scissor, a knife or razor blade.....very sloppy.....very, very common.
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Posted 08/01/2008   10:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add miko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
LOL,notrare your funny.you mean the top has been cut or the holes?if you mean the top part probably you are wrong becouse the size and height are the same as normal stamp which I have compared them,both of them have 15 perforation holes on the vertical sides.if you mean the perforation holes then you are wrong too becouse the holes are so tiny you cant do that with a knife or scissor.
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Edited by miko - 08/01/2008 10:14 pm
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Posted 08/01/2008   10:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nr-notrare to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Miko....


I am not wrong, you are......The top edge of this stamp has been cut with something sharp.
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Posted 08/02/2008   01:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cimarron_Warrior to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tom, I very strongly agree with you. I did a rudimentary measurement by holding a piece of paper on my screen and measuring the bottom between the Image and the perf. holes. I then measured the top and matched my marks with the top of the image and the small holes in the top edge and not to my amazement they are the "exact" distance. And also if you measure from center to center of the largest "holes" at the top and compare it to the perfs on the sides and bottom you will also find they are the same distance apart.

Miko, I have only been a collector for a very short time (less then 6 months) and I have found SEVERAL stamps that have been cut. Some I have found have been from sheets or booklets and have been cut to appear to be from a coil and upon research have found the stamps I had in question had NEVER been offered as coil issues.
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Posted 08/02/2008   04:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add miko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ok let me prove you two wrong.this is an original cutting by the printer but not from anyone else becouse I saw somebody selling this block of 3 stamps at ebay now and there are many tiny holes at the bottom of the perforation holes as well just like mine is(ON TOP).if you do not believe me,please go to this website url at http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Zealand-306...II_W0QQitemZ a href= /go/link.asp?target=https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/230247521593 target= _blank rel= nofollow 230247521593 /a QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116check it out right now and then tell me who is right and wrong.dont think it is always same as those us stamps.
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Posted 08/02/2008   05:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add meostamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good morning all from New York City. Interesting topic. I checked
my Scotts catalog and there is no mention of booklet stamps being
issued, however, I do believe that they were using sheet stamps
placed between sheets of booklet front and back pieces and then
they were cut into individual booklet size for sale. Depending
upon the alignment of the stamps between the booklet ends, this
would result in the condition shown above. I have emailed a
collector down under would should be able to furnish a definite answer
and will post it when I receive it.
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Posted 08/02/2008   06:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add meostamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All...My contact has emailed back and advises that there
were coil stamps issued (which Scotts does not mention) but
did not have any comment as to any booklets being created.
In his opinion, he feels that there is a 95% chance that the
item is a regular sheet stamp that was cut into (trimmed too close) when it was removed from an envelope and only a 5% chance that is was a poorly cut coil stamp. I am not certain if the coils were
government issue or privately made from sheet stamps ( I am
guessing privately as Scott would normally mention if the PO
did issue them that way). Either value, he does not assign any
value to the item in its present condition. Hope this helps.
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Posted 08/02/2008   09:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Quite an interesting discussion...to a lazy guy like me..its a wonder someone would take the pains to cut the stamp like that...but there are all kinds in our extended community..go to a large stamp show and you will bare witness !
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Posted 08/02/2008   12:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cimarron_Warrior to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ONCE again Miko. As Mike has pointed out. The stamp HAS been cut, and has had Part of the perfs left on it due to an uneven cut. Wether done by a company on a machine or done by an individual, this stamp has been cut from a larger sheet.
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Posted 08/02/2008   3:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nr-notrare to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As I said Miko.....this stamp has been cut, give it to a child that wants to collect or throw it away or burn it........it has no value.
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Posted 08/02/2008   5:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add David Giles to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You are all wrong.... it is a privately produced coil to fit a dispensing machine. The NZ post provided strips of the stamps to businesses for such a purpose. Note the bottom perfs are cleanly cut. This is very common in British, australian and NZ stamps of this era, and earlier.

David
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Posted 08/02/2008   6:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nr-notrare to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi David.....

Aren't sheet stamps that are cut just damaged sheet stamps ? Regardless of why they were cut ?

How do you tell the difference between a damaged cut stamp and one cut and used in a dispensing machine ?
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Posted 08/02/2008   6:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add meostamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi David and thanks for the post. I tried to find any
info on how the coils were made (see my post as we did
give it a 5% chance of being a coil) but was not
successful. It they were privately made as compared to
PO made, what was the process used? Do you know of any
web article that tells of the process involved? Any
additional info appreciated. Thanks
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Posted 08/02/2008   6:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add David Giles to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Meo & NR:

The post office cut up sheets, using a guillutine, and passed the strips to private companies. There was an interesting article I read in a back issue of a good ten years, of the American Philatelist, describing how the NZ post office cut the stamps up. It was part of an article on the development of the early stamp dispensing machines used in the post office in the early 1900's.

These were later passed to private companies.

I'll look for the back issue at the stamp club, in September.

David
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Posted 08/02/2008   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cimarron_Warrior to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well to a degree we are wrong but yet to a degree we are right. As I said earlier
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Wether done by a company on a machine or done by an individual, this stamp has been cut from a larger sheet.
. All in all we have learned something new. It's never a dull day in the Community.
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