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I.d. An Odd Admiral?

 
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Posted 12/05/2011   4:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Cjd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This stamp was included in a drive-by posting placed earlier today for a Canada lot being sold on ebay...rather than giving more time to the topic (which is probably not long for this world) and additional publicity to the listing, I picked out a scan of an item I didn't recognize...what is this? Have I just missed this in the catalogue?



Thanks for looking.
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Posted 12/05/2011   4:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's an admiral, probably #107 (yellow green) that looks like it had been soaked off of a red envelope. I don't often say this but...trash it (if it were yours that is).
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Posted 12/05/2011   4:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dave9911 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OMG... it's PINK!!
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Posted 12/05/2011   4:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cjd

If you go to trash it, I will give you my mailing address to trash it to (ha,a)
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Posted 12/05/2011   4:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is an item in a "very valuable" lot that has zero chance of becoming mine.

I've heard about the hazards of soaking with colored envelopes, but I had no idea the color change could be so thorough. When I've seen the results of color bleeding, they have looked much more like pinkish tints. This sort of leaps off the page. And not in a good way.

Thanks for looking. I'm glad to hear that I haven't been overlooking something all this time.
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Posted 12/05/2011   4:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It certainly does leap off the page. That's why I think it is the 2c green and not the 2c carmine (#106) issue. The green and the pink from the envelope have combined to make a sickly grey black colour. Really stands out.
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Posted 12/05/2011   5:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cjd

If it was on a red envelope and the stamp was green, it would turn a BROWN colour, not pink.

To make a pink stamp, it would have to be a red stamp on a white envelope.
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Posted 12/05/2011   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No, it's the red dye in the envelope which is running. The inks on the stamps are more colour fast, which means they are set or permanent. The red ink of the envelope stains the white of the stamp. But Green and Red are what we call complimentary colours, which means that they balance each other out. A combination of red and green will create a neutral grey. If the stamp were a carmine #106 the stamps ink would have still appeared red, though probably muddied.
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Posted 12/05/2011   7:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


But really, whoever attempted to soak that stamp must have left it there for quite a while (or it must have been a seriously fugitive ink.
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Posted 12/05/2011   7:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Either that or it was soaked in warm water.

If you must soak stamps on colored envelopes, then soak stamps on red and green color paper separately from the rest of the batch and make sure you use cold water. Green is nowhere as bad as red.
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Posted 12/05/2011   8:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dave9911 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
^^ Words to live by! Soaking off of red envelopes must definitely be done alone and in the cold. (I suppose a little cold water tide, to clean as well as lift).
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Posted 12/05/2011   8:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
...and trim as close to the perfs as possible.

And use sandpaper to reduce the paper thickness by half.

(Okay, I was kidding about the last part.)
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Posted 12/05/2011   9:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yikes cynical

Just went to the garage to get sand paper, and glad I looked at the post again before I started....(ha,ha)
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Posted 12/05/2011   9:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you're careful with the sanding, you don't really need to soak.

Mark my words, some day this will be the preferred method for dealing with the self-adhesives.
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Posted 12/06/2011   04:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bayman52 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
CJD, ha, ha, sanding no, but with some papers you can see definite layers and these sometimes peel back successfully.
I think the modern self adhesives are a pain, I rarely have success with these.
(Sorry going off subject, but have there been previous posts on these?)
Regards.
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Posted 12/06/2011   1:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Cjd

For me personally, that is a stamp I would pass in a blink of an eye.

It is not a variety, and, as suggested earlier, is nothing more than a stamp that was soaked from a red envelope that had the ink run. Too bad really because this makes the stamp worthless - my opinion of course.

Chimo

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