Swedish Test Booklet, "Uppsala Domkyrka"

Hi there.. I just have a humble question, regarding this test booklet. I didn't know where to put the topic, but I guess this might be the right place..

If you see on this link

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopi...f=23&t=18965

You see a picture of it and a discussion about it.. Saying that it's not included in most catalogs.. I have one of these test booklets, and I've found a few of them on ebay and on the swedish ebay, selling quite cheap. However the booklet that I have, has got complete Control Number, and Cylinder number 2... Which should give it a premium, however without it being listed in any catalog.. I have no clue about the value.

So if anyone could help me out here, I'd appreciate it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/726288.../6569409109/ Picture!


Thanks in advance!

/Jimmy

I'd suggest you seek out the Slania Collectors club
for specificity like this.

The thing that came to my mind when I read this post was the similarity to the Canada 2010 Marine Life booklet issued jointly with Sweden and the control numbers and cylinder numbers on these.

Printed in Sweden, the existance of control numbers or cylinder numbers are a new thing to Canada collectors.

I had started a thread about them on SCF here,
https://goscf.com/t/8204
and lately minesweeper has reported that in the 2012 Unitrade Canada specialized catalogue the booklet varieties having varying nmmbers on the selvedge were priced.

See this post
https://goscf.com/t/8204&whichpage=31#172045

I only have a 2005 catalogue and a photo copy of the page from the 2011 catalogue but the varieties were not priced yet.

Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that the numbered varieties on Swedish booklets were not, up to that point in time, paid much attention to, but were starting to. I believe an article by Jay Smith & Associates on their web site mentioned it first.
http://www.jaysmith.com/

I have been curious about how Swedish material is priced and/or listed or accounted for and how and when the numbers occur but have been lax in my searching for info.

Any info you might find also would be interesting to see or know about!

Here is a quote from the Jay mith article, originally about the Lady Bug stamp issue, written in 2008:



A collector I talked (emailed) to about the Canada marine life issue felt this way about the scarcity and pricing. It seems that collecting the numbers is a specialized area unless it gets into a major catalogue somewhere somehow and then everyone knows about it and wants it.

Thanks for all info so far.. Well.. I have Facit 2011 Special and a 2008th edition, it's not concluded in any of these two books.

Well.. regarding the how the Cylinder number works, it's rather complexed, however it is explained very well in Facit 2011 both in Swedish and English, so I can post a detailed explanation if you wish. Short explanation is that depending on the size of the booklet, on a normal sized, they are punched/impressed at the distance of 17 stamp rows.

Control numbers were used to control how many stamp rows that had been produced, and this number was put on the selvedge every 20th row. That is every 10th booklet. However this number could be divided when the rows were cut. There are execptions as well..and there are different colours and sizes of the control number. A complete control number is scarcer, and in many cases, it's listed as "1+4","2+3","1,5+3,5" etc, with pricing in the catalog for some booklets, meaning that if you need to have the 2 booklets that were adjacent to eachother. One of them has the e.g 3 first CN and the other the last 2. = 3+2

Some booklets have the CN and Cyl1/2 listed with pricing, but far from all. Since mine is a "double" (having both Cylinder and Control number) it also has an extra ~20%. However since I can't even find the booklet in my catalog, I don't know how many were printed, and how scarce a Cyl2+complete controlnumber is..

I will look into the Slania Collectors Club. Thanks for the tip.

Thanks for the update on numbers. An email from Canada Post at the time mentioned something about positioning of the numbers but I couldn't totally understand it. Best to have pictures!

Yes, if you wish, please post a pic of the Facit catalogues English explanation.

The 2010 Marine Life issue had a 6-digit control number printed on some booklets and it was not broken up into many parts.

I think I will have to get a new Facit catalogue this Christmas time. I have been avoiding it as it would just interest me in more collecting and I am always trying to hold myself back. But sometimes I give in to the urge.

Your explanation of the numbers on different booklets has me interested and intrigued. Do some collectors make an effort to have the complete number or am assortment of numbers or is this just me?

I'm quite fast at typing, so I'll just type what it says into here :) I will skip the Spine print and just explain the marginal signs. (in next post)

Well, I'm not actually "collecting" yet, I'm sorting the heritage that I and my father inherited from my grandpa. No point in collecting things before you know what you've already got.. :) Therefore I'm not really sure on how the real collectors try to collect the numbers.. Since there is a premium I suppose they do.. at least I would/will. :)

Marginal Signs
Since the priting cylinder is cast in one piece and without beggining or end, cylinder digits (cyls), usually cyls 1 and 2 (in hand-made booklets also cyls 0 and 3 and plate join digit 0 can be found), are punched at the top and/or at the bottom of the cylinder in order to enable localization of the different stamp pictures. Cyls are always punched diametrically on the cylinder and more or less exactly between two rows of stamp pictures. In the beginning cyls were large and vertical, simple reversed or correctly turned and made up of lines. From 1961 simple reversed horizontal cyls were punched, and from 1984, cyls are impressed and small, horizontal and correctly turned. Even when printing has been done only by offset, one of the offset plates have cyls, and not always placed right between the stamp rows as in H411.

For definitive stamps of normal size, each printing cylinder cotains 34 vertical stamp rows, each with 10 stamp impressions. For each cylinder revolution stamp panes are printed for 17 booklets each with 20 stamps, or 34 booklets with 10 stamps (narrow booklets). Cyls are punched or impressed at the distance of 17 rows (diametrically opposite). Cyls 1 and 2 are then printed once per cylinder revolution on that part of the web which later will be the selvedge or edge margin. If one of the 17 booklets which are printed at each cylinder revoultion has complete cyls 1, then cyls 2 will be bisec-ted when the booklets are cut and vice versa. The part of cyls 2 placed at the extreme right of the selvedge or edge maring ( when the booklet is turned with the stamp impression in the normal position) is called "cyls 2 right". The other half of cyls 2 will then be "cyls 2 left". These statements are also valid for narrow booklets with only one row of stamps.
As regard stamps of large format (B size) each cylinder normally contains 24 vertical stamp rows, i.e. panes for 12 or 24 booklets (wide booklets). A complete cyls 1 then always corresponds to a similiar complete cyls 2, and a bisexted cyls 1 always to a bisected cyls 2. This is also the case for the extra wide booklets, which contains stamp panes for 2x8=16 booklets.
If cyls are horizontal the designations cyls 1h (h=right, v=left),1v,2h and 2v may cause misunderstandings. Then the following designations may be used instead: cyls 1 serif, cyls 1 foot, cyls 2 loop, and cyls 2 foot, in which case the booklet may be held in any position without missunderstandings.
During the years 1957-1964 markings were sometimes used for guiding the perforation consisting of a vertical line and oblique line (|/) or
(/|). Called "sneds" in Swedish. At the end of -65 another type of indication were taken in use, called register marks. Regm is a vertical colour line in the selvedge, either centrally placed or as an edge line, normally bisected lenghtwise at the time of cutting. =Bisected regm. A central rem may be combined with a bisected sneds and a bisected regm may also have a central sneds. Sneds and rem have no additional prices like the other marginal signs as they occur in all booklets from a specific booklet type. ..........


In booklets where the stamps were printed abroad, other marginal signs are found; crosses and horizontal lines, broad arrows, guide lines, coloured digits, edge guide marks, coloured squares.. To be able to control the number of stamp rows printed, a special device will print a five digit check or control number (kn) in the lower margin (the future selvedge or edge margin) at every 20th row printed, i.e. every 10th booklet (except in H264 and H279 where the distance is 14.2 booklets, so can occurs with all possible dividings.). In booklets where both R- and o-booklets exists,(Normal mounting and inverted mounting.)kn is always found in the O-booklets. In the completed booklet kn will be turned upside down in relation to the stamp pane. Kn may after cutting be either complete or divided. Divded kn 3+2 indicates that the three first, mnost significant, digits are printed in on e booklet and the two final digits are printed in the booklet next to it. The printing press used is indicated by the apperance of kn. The first Goebel press had kn with small digits with serif, the Wifag press had big kn sans serif. Second goebel press has kn sans serif with smaller digits and from 1990 the digits are 3.3mm in fatter style and a little different appearance. There is also a third goebel press..

In the spring of 1966, kn were completed with a counting mark in the shape of a large X. This corss was printed under every 100th stamp row, every 50th booklet. And is thus sometimes called the hundred mark. The crosses were always placed midway between two kn. In -68 the crosses were removed.

Combination booklets and booklet combos
RT (Spine print) and marignal signs are with a common name called "markings". A combo booklet means one booklet with 2 or more markings:
Double - a booklet with 2 markings (e.g. cyls+kn, RT+cyls)
Triple= 3 markings (e.g RT+Cyls+kn)
Quadruple = (RT+cyls+kn+square).

A booklet combo means 2 or more booklets which have been placed next to eachother on the stamp web, and can be connected to each other through common bisected markings:
Pair: 2 booklets connected through bisected markings
triad: 3 booklets connected through bisected markings and so forth. To be sure that they are genuine, one may examine if perforation, spine perforation, cover print, centering, height of the selvedge, position of the marginal signs etc agree on the booklets.

That's about it!

EDIT: May be typos (I didn't look at screen while typing.)

I don't know if you actually now read this Puzzler, but I hope it makes sense at least.

I am now glad to say that I have sorted through all my booklets! 717 with a CV of around $5788, and a bit more for added value for marginal signs that aren't included in the CV. :)

Thank you, I had read it but was distracted by other things at this time. It makes sense, thank for the big typing job. That is a lot of booklets to keep organized indeed.

You're welcome! Reading and writing it helps my education about it as well, so it's a win win! :)

Well, now that I have them organized in order and put in 2 boxes, they'll just be kept in their boxes!

Since I now have properly installed my new Scanner, I do have a picture of my booklet. Updated first post with a link to it.