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Canada Imperforate Or Cut Out?

 
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Posted 01/23/2012   11:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Wadmalatz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Is this a stamp or a cut out of a postal stationery?


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Posted 01/23/2012   12:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ryan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Admiral design was not used for postal stationary. This value is one of three different Admiral values that was officially issued as imperforate stamps and the Unitrade catalogue does list prices for single mint & used copies. The number of copies was limited, 50,000 pairs in the case of the 3 cent issue, so they aren't very common and the catalogue price is fairly high ($17.50 for fine used).

The imperforate stamps were dry printings as were the normal perforate issue, so it's perhaps impossible to tell if your copy is legitimate or if it is just a trimmed copy of a perforated stamp (there is also a very rare part perforate 3 cent Admiral which was done with a wet printing). The imperforate stamps must be Die I - you'll need a high resolution scan of the area around "THREE CENTS" to see whether you have Die I or II.

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Posted 01/23/2012   12:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Coriandre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

A stamp. Scott 138
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Posted 01/23/2012   1:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ryan is correct about the Admiral design not being used on postal stationery. That is for regular envelopes (covers).

The Admiral design was used on postal cards and your scan would have to be a hard card stock. If this is not the case with your stamp, them you might have a single from the imperf Admiral stamps. It is hard to prove this with single examples. Most of the Admiral specialists like to get them in pairs so that the imperfs can be verifies as genuine.

Easier said than done, of course.

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Edited by Bujutsu - 01/23/2012 1:07 pm
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Posted 01/23/2012   1:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think Coriandre as it. A 138. The admiral design wasn't used on a post card in the 3c denomination.
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Posted 01/23/2012   3:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamporator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a stamp. However, you will need to determine if it is a Die I or Die II issue.

If it is a Die I, then it could be a:
a. Scott 109, sheet single, that has been trimmed down on all four sides to remove the perforations.
b. Scott 109as, booklet single, that has been trimmed down on two or three sides to remove the perforations.
c. Scott 130, coil single, that has been trimmed down on the two sides to remove the perforations.
d. Scott 130a, a part imperforate, that has been trimmed down on the left/right sides to remove the perforations.
e. Scott 138, a imperforate single, that has its neighbour stamps removed.

If it is a Die II, then it would be a:
a. Scott 109c, sheet single, that has been trimmed down on all four sides to remove the perforations.

If you provide a higher resolution scan then it can be determined which Die printing it is.
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Posted 01/23/2012   4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cynical to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This might be a good spot to slip in this commentary regarding the "rare Admiral imperforates" at auction.

http://www.canadianstampauctions.co...umber_68.htm
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Posted 01/23/2012   4:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cynical to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
....and also this. Scroll down to see table.

http://www.bnaps.org/education/ena3b.asp

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Posted 01/23/2012   4:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamporator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the 3c Imperforate in a block of 4:




And here is the 7c imperforated pair (Scott #114a) in VF hinged condition.

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Edited by stamporator - 01/23/2012 4:38 pm
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Posted 01/23/2012   4:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Even with the quality of the top photo, I'd say that red 3c is a die I. And if it is a legit imperf, it would be a die I any way. Unitrade doesn't list a die II as imperforated.
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Posted 01/23/2012   4:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamporator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My guess is that is it also Die I, and that it originated as a coil stamp (Scott 130) that has had the perforations (perf.8) on the left and right cut off.

The following statement from the BNAPS website concerning this 'imperforate issue' also supports my guess:

The 1˘ yellow, 2˘ green, and 3˘ carmine Admirals were issued imperforate in quantities of 50,000 each. They were on sale only at the Philatelic Agency, and most of them were likely sold to stamp collectors who saved them as mint stamps. Used imperforate stamps exist, but not in large numbers. From the number of fake imperforate Admirals I see in stamp circuit books and on the internet, trimming the perforations off stamps is also a time-honored method of making fake singles of these imperforate stamps.


As this stamp is in used condition, I would believe that it is not an original imperforate.
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Posted 01/23/2012   4:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add djd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A closer/larger scan of the top left may reveal a portion of the perforation.
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Posted 01/23/2012   5:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cynical to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Expanding the image on my ipad seems to show the base of an upper perf at upper left corner.
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Posted 01/23/2012   10:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wadmalatz...Here is my 137 imperf pair...See how much border is visible..


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Posted 01/24/2012   12:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Wadmalatz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Woww, thank you all! Now, after you guided me, have a conclusion: it was a coil stamp (left side indeed, but down also, it is visible a perforation) Here are the scans:






In another stockbook I found a 2 cent coil (indeed, the 3 cent has too narrow margins!). Plus two another interesting ones: was somebody playing with the tab? And the 7 cents is imperforate down (? or just cut?)


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