Hawaiin Cancels And R Factors

Was looking at some cancel ratings and I understand at least in this case the various R factors. RRRR being the rarest/ least common and R being the most common . My curiosity is wondering if all cancels sort of follow the same basic R factors vs number of strikes known to exist and then the question of where does value fall into play or should value and rarity factors not really come into the same train of thought.
I will expand on this more in the next couple days as I'm looking at a RRR item but realy not sure how much weight I should put into that when it comes down to price negotiating. Of course the seller is using it as a tool but I'm really thinking not to go far above what I would pay for the stamp alone .

I think a lot may depend on the catalog(s) you are using and/or whether you are talking about stamps, cancellations or, in some cases, perfins or precancels. So the "rarity factor" for one type of stamp or cancel may not necessarily hold true for another type.

Take for example, perfins, wherein this was previously quoted from another thread:




In reality, rarity factors are simply guidelines at best, not much different than quoting a value from the Scott catalog. The true value really comes down to what a buyer is willing to pay and a seller is willing to accept and that can vary significantly depending on any number of conditions.

The cancel in question based on a webpage regarding rarity factors of this area is said to have less than 10 known strikes and being a RRR factor . Obviously the more known and reported the rarity goes down. This info was compiled by a specialist in this area so its not catalog based info which may actually be better in some cases. Until I confirm or deny the purchase I don't want to get into great details . This is a CDS so I would imagine the value part would be simular to short lived DPO's or the like which I know can vary widely depending on the stamp as well. If al goes well and I hear back soon I will post image and we can discuss in more details. Sorry for being vague just looking at general input within the broad parameters.

So I've won the item and its not in hand yet but at least it can be further discussed. The Koloa cancel rates RRR with 7 known strikes according to http://www.hawaiianstamps.com/raretown.html
Kaloa being on the island of kauai seems to be a remote location or at least not as well known as the major islands.
Now we have a relatively low value stamp with a rare cancel . For what its worth I got this and some other Hawaiin which if my eyes are seeing correct maybe a double provisional OVPt but need to be in hand. Noe of this was offered as such just a small mix and price was better than expected even without any bonuses.

Jim Forte has a Koloa cancel on postal card, offered at $75. It is a poor light strike; see the cover at:
http://www.postalhistory.com/photo....=HI%21970915

(it is the double-ring cancel to the right)

Your incoming copy is far superior.

Here's another example of that postmark on an auction site. Suggested bid: $100; Price Realized: $59:

http://db.kelleherauctions.com/php/...=6539&lang=1

Interesting topic. I never looked at my Hawaiians very closely. I found a Hilo strike on my Hawaii 31. Not quite complete, but visible.

Most older hawaii have a 3-5 ring cancel and I always keep my eyes open for nice cancels especially from island areas. Problem is I don't know enough to value these things . This one was in a grouping of 4 other hawaii and 2 Confederates which was really odd. Basically would have paid the $24 for the confederates which were not in the title thankfuly and the cancel went un noticed. The other small lot of hawaii for $15 looks to have a double OVPT but I won't know for sure till it arrives. If so a tidy $1000 cat value for another un described item. Gotta love dealers that are to busy to search.