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Posted 02/09/2013   07:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Selva to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Have a 15 cents Webster 1873 issue printed on double paper. As per this site, the scoot# is 163c http://1847usa.com/1870identifier.htm. Have no listing of 163c in my standard scott 2008.Guess it is refering to a scott specialize cat. Could someone who has access to a scott specialize be help out to give me the details listed as 163c.
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My 2010 Scott US Specialized has the double paper listed as 163b with a dash for the used price and a blank for the mint price. I assume it has been renumbered to 163c since then?

Make sure you haven't confused double paper with something simpler, such as "used stamp on paper".
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Posted 02/09/2013   12:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cal516 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ditto above from my 2012. No 163c listed.
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Dont think I am wrong here but anyway will leave to you to judge it.Here are the pics.









Have checked the stamp very throughly for repair marks,for extra paper stuck and any traces of left over piece from cover and found none.
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Thjs is what is listed 163c --- Continental no double paper often hard/white at the webpage Designs of the Issues of 1870-1888 - The Large Bank Notes
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A little background on the double paper issues. The double paper issue was a re-use prevention by Charles Steel. The process is describe in his patent for the process (pat 86,952 Feb 16, 1869). The process was to bond a thin unsized water-leaf type face paper to a wove paper backing prior to printing the stamp.

This process would deter re-use in 3 ways; first the unsized face wuold allow greater penetration of the cancellation ink, second the soft printed face was easily damage from the application of friction in attempts to remove the cancellation and third the 2 layers would have a tendency to delaminate when soaked.

Although the double paper is most commonly known on the Continental printings it was also used on the National 3 cent 1861, 3 and 30 cent 1869 and the 6 and 30 cent National banknotes. It is also known on some American printings.

In 1875, about 28 million double paper issues were sent by Continental to the POD for issue, most were the 2 and 3 cent values. A large quantity of these were returned due to delamination problems.

You stamp shows a offset of the perfs in the upper right corner with the back paper appearing very thin. Both of these attributes are very inconsistent with the double paper process. Additionally, the printed image is normally slightly fuzzy due to the printing ink being absorbed into the unsized paper. The printing on your example looks too well defined for the unsized paper.

Is it possible that the is a paper adherance on the back? There is also a slight discoloration on the top portion of the back and a slight offset on the straight edge. Have you dipped it to see if there a a possible rebacking?

Below are 2 examples of the double paper with partial delamination. The first in the National 3 cent of the 1861 series. You will note the thin paper printed face



The next image is the Continental 2 cent. You will note the same type of thin printed face paper.



I hope this will help to explain the process an also why I do dot believe that your example is a regular double paper.
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