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Posted 03/02/2013   2:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add ShadManBen to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am new member so please bear with me if this has been discussed before. I used to collect all kinds of stamps when I has alot younger and many years ago. Just decided to dig out and dust off some of these albums, etc. I have one that I bought back in the 70's that was put together by Kenmore Stamp Co. It is a collection of 16 Gold-foil like "postage" stamps and 7 commemorative sheets supposedly issues by Mid East countries that are now part of UAE (ie. Ajman, Manama, Ras Al Khaima, Sharjah, etc). There is nothing in the 2009 Scott's catalog that I have to even indicate that these countries even issues stamps after 1965. Any ideas what, if anything, these may be worth today? Thanks for any assistance.
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Posted 03/02/2013   2:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cursus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You don't have to apologize. All of us are students on this never-ending philatelic science. But you're speaking about postage stamps not cinderellas, that is, labels without postage value; while yours should have. In some cases, they can be considered fantasy stamps; never cinderellas.
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Posted 03/02/2013   5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Certainly there are gold foil stamps issued by African nations that are bona fide, and listed in Scott. Sand Dunes, likely not. Show us some pictures.
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Posted 03/02/2013   8:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ShadManBen to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a couple of examples of the gold foil stamps I have from what were known as the Trucial States.





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Posted 03/02/2013   8:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You won't find Ajman in Scott, nor Fujeira, Manama, Ras al-Khaima, Umm al-Qawain, Sharjah, etc., except the few very very early issues. There's a Michel catalog for the Trucial States, but the book's expensive, its prices are out-of-date, and generally dream-world prices anyway. The market for these stamps is extremely thin, perhaps a trifle better in Europe than in the U.S.
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Posted 03/02/2013   10:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ShadManBen to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the information.
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Posted 03/03/2013   08:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jobi01 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Turcial States issues were generated by a shyster who hawked them as investments. As proof of the quality of these items as investments, the same shyster put out single country catalogs with ever rising prices. The catalogs were distributed free to potential and existing investors. The APS black listed stamps from these countries years ago.
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Posted 03/03/2013   08:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ShadManBen to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, was The Kenmore Stamp Company taken in by that shyster or was it the actual shyster itself???
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Posted 03/03/2013   09:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ShadManBen to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen some of these on ebay. So, I guess they are mainly collectable as a novelty issue.
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Posted 08/04/2013   06:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bamra1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The Trucial States issues were generated by a shyster who hawked them as investments.


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So, was The Kenmore Stamp Company taken in by that shyster or was it the actual shyster itself???

It is very difficult to answer the question when people are being so vague about the alleged 'shyster'. There are at least 6 possible candidates for this title (all of them definitely dead, so I am not sure why we are puzzyfooting around it). And it is probably true to say that no single one of them was solely responsible for the philatelic mess that emerged in the Trucial States and neighbouring states of Qatar and Oman.

1) Bruce Conde, a maverick, mercenary and Walter Mitty character, who was postal advisor to the Imamate of Oman and to Sharjah. He was really the first person to persuade rulers in the area that they could screw money out of stamp collectors, but seems to have tried to keep it within bounds.

2) Finbar Kenney (or Kenny), managing director of the American company Stolow. Stolow had earlier been responsible for many of the South Moluccas issues and were, at the time under discussion, involved in some murky stamp dealings in Haiti. Kenney himself was convicted of paying sweeteners to the Cook Islands government to obtain stamp contracts. Faced with 10 years or a $1M fine, he paid the fine. Who said there is no money in stamps? He was certainly involved in contracts in Fujeirah and Umm al Qiwain.

3) Michel Stephan, a Lebanese who more or less ran Baroody Stamps of Beirut. He was known to trade in forged overprints and create 'unofficial' covers. He had contracts in several of the Trucial states. He retained a large stock, but this stock was not released onto the market until recently (by Tony El-Helou, definitely not by Kenmore.)

4) Ezzet Mosden, a shadowy figure who was Baroody's agent in America and also believed to be involved in forging covers.

5) Martin Sellinger was a crony of Kenney, but also appears to have been involved with Middle East Stamps SAL who held contracts with Sharjah and Ajman. He was associated at different times with Fouad Antoun, George Hage and Jacques Anhoury. He ended up with a vast stock of material from the area: to be precise 713 crates full, with a total weight of over 30 tons. He sold them to a company called Wall Street Ventures, run by a Middle East banker, two scientologists and John Reznikoff, who ran the University Stamp Company. (Reznikoff is still alive so I will word this carefully.) They used the stamps as collateral on the Canadian stock market, but unfortunately recorded the catalogue value as the likely retail value! As soon as someone pointed out that noone would be stupid enough to buy vast numbers of duplicate dunes for more than a tiny fraction of catalogue, the whole thing collapsed. Sellinger bought the stamps back at the price for which he had sold them. He died in 2005 and I have no idea what has happened to them.

6) Clive Feigenbaum, expelled from the PTS and tried on at least two occasions for producing fraudulent stamps, was involved in the Imamate of Oman (following Conde), and subsequently Dhufar. But he also ran Format International who had printing contracts for stamps of Ajman and Ras al Khaima.

To return to the question: I do not know of any connection between Kenmore and any of the above. But if jobi1 is prepared to tell me, by PM email if necessary, which he was referring to, I'll see if I can turn up an answer.

[I apologising for using the nonsense word puzzyfooting, but the automatic censor on this site regards the real word as obscene!!]
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Posted 08/04/2013   12:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ShadManBen to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for further information. Very interesting! I might just have to give Kenmore Stamps a call and see what they can tell me about this collection since they sold it to me in the 1970's. That is, if they are even still in business...haven't checked that yet.
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Posted 12/30/2013   09:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philatex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Bamra1: belated congratulations on this excellent overview. Allow me one small correction: Bruce Conde was never involved with the State of Oman stamp issues of the Oman Imamate State. And he was not very much familiar with the background of these issues as one can see from his article "Oman: an Arab postal Union protégé with a theocratic monarchy" in Stamp Weekly, 13 August 1970, p. 13.
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Posted 12/30/2013   11:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bamra1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Philatex: thank you for your correction. Looking back over my notes, I think I should have said 'Monarchist Yemen' not the Imamate of Oman.
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Posted 12/31/2013   5:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agondocz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bamra1: I appreciate the overview. Thank you.

A couple of thoughts: In 1963 there were questions about which of these states had oil and which did not. To attract oil exploratory companies the rulers had to build roads and other infrastructure. The local British advisors could have recommended using British taxpayer money, instead they recommended that these states raise money for building their infrastructure by the sale of stamps.

Bruce Condé played a important role in Sharjah's first issues. Compared to the first issues of Dubai, Ajman, Fujeira, and Ummal Qiwain, the early Sharjah issues were "clean": no imperforates, no errors.

Best wishes for the New Year,
AndrewG
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Posted 03/26/2014   10:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add trabz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
those pics are taken from someone who was mentioned by Bamra1:





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Anyone want to talk Tuvalu?
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