Japan Revenues - Tobacco, Court, Documentary, Etc.

1884 Court revenue...10 sen?


Any ideas on this one? (Not certain that it is Japan)


From the 1883 series of tobacco revenues...the various values have different frames:
I've had a little trouble matching colors to Forbin's listings...any ideas of face values?
1.

2.

3.

4. (This design is somewhat different...may be a different series?)


1909 2-yen registration revenue:


1909 10-sen general revenue:


50-sen, silk tax (subject to correction)

and 1-yen:


Please feel free to post up more...

Also, any additional information is welcome, including any cancels you can identify.

Those are neat! I wonder if there is stuff from the opium wars years like that?

First is a 10 Sen Court stamp duty
Second is a Financial instruments - Insured item stamp. Can't make out a face value
Third group:
1: 2 Rin
2: 4 Rin
3: 1 Sen
4: 2 Sen
...
Last two are 50 Sen and 1 Yen, inscribed Stamp Duty only

Thanks for the translations, tonymacg.

The last two multi-colored stamps in the first post are out of the 1900 series of general revenues, according to Forbin. My notes, pulled from somewhere on the interwebs, had these as silk tax revenues, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Forbin notes that designs vary, and only one of the series is pictured, so until now I've overlooked the three values that are multi-colored. Here is the third of them, the 5-yen, which I hadn't included in the first post because of the missing bit:


[Forbin #41...the other two are 39 and 40]

Now knowing the values of the tobacco revenues, I think I can say that they are out of the 1883 series, all of which are found as imperfs, and most of which are found perfed. If I have identified them correctly, the pictured stamps would be:
1. Forbin Tobacco#5
2. Forbin Tobacco#7
3. Forbin Tobacco#11
4. Forbin Tobacco#15


I_L_S, the earliest Japan revenues in Forbin are from the early 1870's. Here is Commerce & Quittances #1, 1-sen gray from 1873:

I see this will be my 3000th post. I wish it had been something a little more momentous, but ...

Your 'silk tax' stamps might well have been intended for that purpose. All I can say is that the inscriptions on the stamps are simply for general revenue purposes.

(And your 10 Sen Court Fee stamp makes a nice coincidence. I'm just in the middle of translating a Japanese court sentencing document in an indecent assault case - though this one is from 2010.)

Congratulations, tonymacg!

All I know is that your previous 2999 posts have been "momentous" enough, and I'm sure all the ones that follow will prove equally beneficial to us all.

Thank you for your contributions over the years here at SCF!

Looking forward to reading your next 3000 posts!

k

khj, flattery will get you anywhere

Next time you're in Melbourne, feel free to call in and help yourself to my Discards box ...

k

Congratulations on the 3,000-post mark, and thanks for all the sharing. It is really appreciated.

I do love these. I have a couple from my Dad's small collection that helped me get interested in stamps so many years ago.



Here they are. A little tattered, but priceless to me.
On the left Toki Inshi (Registration Tax Revenue 1888-1898) and on the right Shunyu Inshi (Tax Revenue 1898).

I think if I were to find another collecting area, this would be it.

According to Forbin (i.e., old info), the 10s is Registration #7. No year is given, unless they intend to hold the year over from the immediately prior listing, which would be 1909.

The design for the 3r is close to or the same as the 5r image they use for the 1900 series of general revenues, which is the same series that includes the multi-colors shown above, as ##38-4039-41. The 3r is assigned #32.

Thanks for sharing the stamps and the story. I agree that it is an interesting candidate for a little side collection. I have a couple of the booklets prepared for tourists, pretending to be Japanese postage stamps, and each at least half-filled with revenues.

Right now, my only resource is Forbin, and I wouldn't start really accumulating with purpose without first acquiring better references.

The most helpful site online that I'm aware of is from the SSJP -- the Scandinavian Society for Japanese Philately. Someone there has tried to illustrate most of the different types:

http://eng.ssjp.dk/rev/eng/rev/overviewrev.html

The catalog they reference is the Shimomura 2003, which is the one I have, although there is now a later edition which I haven't been able to put my hands on yet. (The illustrations in the 2003 and earlier editions leave something to be desired, so that SSJP resource is really helpful!)

[I have to run right now, but will continue later.]

-- Dave

[continuing ...]

The Shimomura is written almost entirely in Japanese -- only the headings are in English -- so it can be a bit of a challenge. There is an English-language catalog put out by Barefoot, and, if I recall correctly, another participant on here (Nigel) has it. But I think Shimomura is considered the authority. (I've seen Michael Rogers auctions that reference it, etc.)

Some day, I hope to build a little webpage that might be a little more helpful in identifying different types of revenues, but reality seems to intrude and that gets pushed further down the list. :-(

Always happy to see a discussion of Japanese stamps crop up!

-- Dave

Dave, my bookmark to that site was lost to the winds, and I tried several different searches trying to find the site again. I will safeguard the link (at least until your site goes live).

I'll also try to add a few more scans from different issues, to have a representative sampling here. I have no designs on making it encyclopedic.

Thanks!

Happy to help! Also happy to look up any other items in question.

I just now remembered that, several years ago, someone on another board posted a stocksheet full of revenues, wondering what he had. I must've had a lot of time on my hands, because I made up a little webpage, with his images, to answer his question. I had never given that another thought, until last year, on yet another board, I saw someone else had provided the link to my little page in answer to yet another person's question.

I've just now Googled that link, so, for what it's worth, here it is:

http://www.philatarium.com/sw/Japan...revenues.htm

Very incomplete, but perhaps some of the illustrations will be helpful to someone, or it could help get them started in looking on the SSJP site. (And I always misplace that link, too -- I've finally learned to just search my bookmarks when I need it.)

All the best!

-- Dave

I actually used the Scandinavian site that Philatarium linked to identify my stamps (I've had it bookmarked for quite some time).

I found the Registration Tax Revenue on this page...

http://eng.ssjp.dk/rev/eng/rev/registreringe.html

and the Tax Revenue here...

http://eng.ssjp.dk/rev/eng/rev/tax1898.html

I suppose if I did start to pursue these, I'd have to get a Forbin's to really do them justice. But this site is pretty good.