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3RD Copy Of Canada's Rarest Stamp Found

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Posted 07/18/2013   9:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add guykickinit to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just watched a Large Queen 33 on ebay spike to $117. 4 bids in 5 seconds. WOW!
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Posted 07/18/2013   10:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ryan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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If I collected Canada # 3 (12d on laid paper) and needed it, I would probably buy a plate proof of it since it's much more affordable.

That's exactly what I did and for the same reason. I seriously doubt I'll ever end up buying stamps for 6 figures, so a specimen copy it shall be!

Ryan
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Posted 07/20/2013   3:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A dealer once told me that the plate proofs are in much better condition than most of the Canada # 3 stamps that there are.
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Posted 07/31/2013   2:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I read that it was found in an APS circuit book. I am not sure if the finder was looking for such a stamp for some time searching through as many Canada # 24 (wove paper) in the hope that they would find a Canada # 32 (laid paper) or was it a find by chance that was recognized as being different? I am surprised that there still are quite a few Canada # 24 on the APS website for sale since I would think that collectors would be on the lookout for more of these out there.
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Posted 08/07/2013   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The VG Greene Foundation did an excellent job in their research in determining the 2c Large Queen on laid paper is genuine. On the other hand one should do some research on the Large Queen Issue especially on laid paper. The front page story in Canadian Stamp News has some misleading information about the issue. There are far more accurate sources of information. The 2c on laid paper are so rare it is doubtful that value of the three stamps would be affected. It is a matter of supply and demand and what seller and buyer agree to in price.
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Posted 08/07/2013   4:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed

The finding of a third copy will not affect the price at all.

If someone was to find a small hoard from a family correspondence that had a dozen or more, then maybe yes, it would, but only slightly. I doubt if that will happen anyway.

I believe one of our newer members requested the third find as his avatar. A good choice.

Chimo

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Posted 08/07/2013   5:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wasn't the former Canada # 6 the 12d (like # 3 on laid paper) on wove paper, but they believe it to be a wove plate proof on cover?
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Posted 08/07/2013   6:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Postage Stamps and Postal History of Canada, W.S.Boggs, 1975, page 133 states: "Some collectors claim that laid paper is often of such nature that the lines do not show in some parts of the sheet, and I believe there is evidence to support this theory.
That there is considerable difficulty in seeing the laid lines in the paper is demonstrated by the fact that many copies of the Six Pence offered by dealers or auctioneers as "thin wove" are in reality on laid paper.
Copies of the Twelve Pence on thin wove paper are also well known, and we therefore list this stamp on three different papers.
A. Thin laid semi-transparent
B. Thin wove paper semi-transparent
C. Medium thick wove paper"

If I recall correctly some of the wove paper copies were given certificates. I can't lay my hands on a reference now.
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Posted 08/07/2013   7:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Watermark, that is why I consider these papers minor varieties, like the ribbed paper (which is VERY easy to detect) on the 1972 caricature definitives. They only get Unitrade "i" numbers, and nothing from Scott.

I am happy to have Scott Unitrade #4 beaver, I still consider it the first stamp of Canada. In modern times, the wove paper variety would be numbered 1a, or perhaps the laid would get the 1a number!
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Posted 08/07/2013   8:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So that you all know what to look for when checking your 2c Large Queens, here's a scan of the laid paper (on a 3c LQ):

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Posted 08/07/2013   8:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The back of the 3c Large Queen is similar to that of the 2c. Read the VG Greene report for reference (link in first post). The 1c and 2c appear to be the same laid paper.
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Posted 08/09/2013   04:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Canadian Stamp News has a much better article about this stamp this week. The information for the most part comes from the VG Greene Foundation report referenced in first post in this topic.
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Posted 08/09/2013   07:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This link is to a previous post and shows the difference in the 1c laid paper and the 3c laid paper Large Queens. The 2c is like the 1c.

https://goscf.com/t/11282#102199
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Posted 08/10/2013   02:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The best time to make a discovery is sometimes fresh right on the heels of a previous recent motivational discovery because sometimes certain things can occur in a pattern, streak, cycle or sequence. If a number of interested collectors got together to pool some resources, one never knows what is truly possible. It would be nice to find any, but especially a mint one.
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Posted 08/10/2013   08:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The reason other rare examples might be found of any stamp variety are:

KNOWLEDGE- with out knowledge that a variety exists one would not know to look for it or if seeing it would not know its significance.
Reference books and shared knowledge with other collectors are keys to increasing knowledge.

Awareness- when examining stamps, even common ones, one must look for variations.

Tools- Magnifiers, watermark detectors, stamp tongs, black light, and merit gage are just a few of the tools needed to examine stamps.

With all the above you are ready to look at stamps and detect varieties.

Example:

Many years ago I found a 3c Small Queen. I noticed it was a different color from all the other examples I had seen. I bought it for 15c. When I got my merit gage out and checked the perforation measurement it was the rare perforation 12.5 X 12.5. The stamp now has a certificate of genuineness and an appraised value of $200.

How aware and knowledgeable are you to find a rare stamp? It takes a lot more than luck. Happy hunting.
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