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Posted 10/17/2013   12:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add floortrader to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here is a new discovery ,it is only the second used stamp known of this issue . It will be coming up for auction next month .[URL=http://s463.photobucket.com/user/stamp12345/media/6001.jpg.html"][/URL]
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Posted 10/17/2013   10:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Floortrader, it looks English? Could you be a bit more specific as to what this is? Peter
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Posted 10/17/2013   12:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is it some kind of British Australia or New Zealand postage due parcel stamp? Did you find it yourself in a collection?
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Posted 10/17/2013   12:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a Australian postage due stamp . It was used for a very short time and was the highest denomination ,it was most likely used for accounting purposes or for multi-parcel payment .It was not sold across the counter in the postoffice but the two existing copies show they were used in the parcel department.
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Posted 10/20/2013   5:02 pm  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One of the joys of collecting is that as you develop knowledge, the path opens up in front of you. The more you learn, the more you realise you have more to learn.

In 1902 Australia issued the second series of postage dues with the design completed at the base (a concurrently issued series had modified the New South Wales design by removing the letters NSW at the base, leaving a white blank where the letters used to be). The values were ½d, 1d, 2d, 3d, 4d, 5d, 6d, 8d, 10d, 1s, 2s, 5s, 10s and 20s. The only way to tell the 1d, 2d, 5d and 10d values apart from the 1s, 2s, 5s, and 10s issues was in the use of the either of the words 'pence' of 'shillings' in the design.

This caused confusion as the values could be mistaken for one another. I have sighted a cover cancelled with a 1s and 2s value that more probably should have been cancelled with a 1d and 2d stamp.

In 1908 is was decided to alter the design of the shilling values to include a stroke, so the pence values and shilling values could be easily distinguished from one another.

The 5s and 1s values were on issue in September and December 1908 respectively, with the 2s, 10s and 20s available by March 1909.

It is hard to understand why this was done when the replacement series for Australia-wide use was distrbuted in July and August 1909.

The end result is, of course, that the shilling values with stroke with contemporary used cancels in the 2s, 10s and 20s values are very scarce.

In 1990, Stanley Gibbons in Melbourne offered a new discovery, the first used copy of the 20s with a contemporary cancel. It was dated 1910, remarkable in the Paul Simonsen had acquired the stamp in that year but it was unknown to the market until offered in the Gibbons sale.

Rod Perry was the buyer at $6,000 (plus purchase costs) from memory and immediately offered it in his 'Private Treaty 101 Selected Items" sale of 1991 for $12,500.

Prestige sold the stamp again in 2005 for $60,000 plus purchase costs.

Seigel Auctions now have for sale another copy, pictured at the start of this thread.

Apparently consigned in a world lot and given a certificate in the UK (I have asked for further details) it is for sale in the November 13-14 sale #1059. http://www.siegelauctions.com/dynam...3-14,%202013

Now, I think there is a valuable lesson here for all of us. Just because something is rare or not known does not in any way indicate that copies do not lie in collections, unidentified. This is particularly true for Aussie dues because the Scott listings are very basic) We have seen the third copy of a Canada's rarest stamp (https://www.stampcommunity.org/topi...IC_ID=33484) located, a 6th copy (faulty) of a WA 1879 2d mauve Swan error of colour in a €5 Delcampe lot, all in relatively recent times.

Keep looking, keep researching, we can all make discoveries if we search.
Edited by 64idgaf - Yesterday 7:18 pm
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Posted 10/21/2013   2:56 pm  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It would appear that the vendor simply didn't know what they had.
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Posted 10/21/2013   3:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ottawasteve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Along the same lines, I picked up a Rustenburg 2s6d black overprint when misrepresented in auction. Third known copy, and a heck of a bargain.

Not hat it really matters, but it looks like there is one nasty crease across the northeast corner.
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Posted 10/21/2013   3:42 pm  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome aboard.

Photos please, uploading is easy.
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Edited by 64idgaf - 10/21/2013 3:51 pm
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Posted 10/22/2013   08:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
JOHN{64idgaf}----Thanks for that additional information about that Australian Postage Due ,interesting story .Sounds like there is going to be some interesting bidding on that stamp next month at Siegal's auction. I am surprised by the negative postings on chat boards coming out of Australia over this new found stamp.I notice this auction lot while looking at a few items in that auction which got my interest.
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Posted 10/22/2013   3:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pagoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Floortrader,

re.

" I am surprised by the negative postings on chat boards coming out of Australia over this new found stamp ".

what negative comments,

Pagoda
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Posted 10/22/2013   3:55 pm  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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what negative comments


From the site owner:


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Why not say that in the first place instead of imputing it was yours, and wasting a lot of time for others?

What stopped you adding a link to it, seeing you lifted their photo?


Lovely tone of voice! The discussion quickly descended into an argument about the original poster claiming ownership of the stamp(I couldn't see that he was doing this, but I knew of the discovery prior to reading the post there) rather than a celebration of the discovery of a major philatelic item.



Anyhoo,

The stamp comes from a US based collector who acquired a collection intact 'some years ago'. The original source of the collection has not been disclosed.


John
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Posted 10/22/2013   4:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pagoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John,

it seems that the negative comments were not about the stamp but about the poster,

Pagoda
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Posted 10/22/2013   5:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kcaramat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I took it to mean there were negative comments on a different Austrailian chat board about the stamp.
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Posted 10/22/2013   6:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pagoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
kcaramat,

so did I,

I can only see positive comments on that chat about the find, apart from mentioning a crease,

Pagoda

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Posted 10/22/2013   6:05 pm  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can we focus on the stamp? This really is a significant discovery.
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Posted 11/13/2013   1:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 20/ Postage Due stamp ,SG D 62 sold today at auction for $25,000 plus fees .
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