Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read








Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Q On Bermuda SC 12

Next Page    
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 18 / Views: 3,758Next Topic
Page: of 2
Valued Member
United States
200 Posts
Posted 01/27/2014   6:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add dlambert1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Please for help with this stamp I just acquired. What is the significance of the "Three Pence" surcharge on a one shilling stamp? Was there a currency revaluation at the time? Does it mean the price of the stamp was one shilling plus three pence or did a new three pence currency value replace one shilling?

I increased the brightness of the scan for visibility so the color does not reflect that of the actual stamp.

I searched the Forum, Google and Wikipedia and found no specific information except a reference to an out-of print book on the stamps of Bermuda. I'm sure there are experts here in the Forum that can help. Thank you in advance.

Donald

Send note to Staff

Rest in Peace
Canada
5701 Posts
Posted 01/27/2014   6:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Those "Three Pence" overprints were issued because of a shortage of the regular 3p stamps. Your stamp appears to be Scott #12, cataloged at $975 in the 2009 edition.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
BeeSee in BC
"The Postmark is Mightier than the Stamp"
http://brcstamps.com ---- BNAPS, RPSC, APS
Valued Member
United States
200 Posts
Posted 01/27/2014   7:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dlambert1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, BeeSee. A simple and straightforward reason, but one wonders why the one shilling stamp was surcharged and not some lesser-valued stamp. Perhaps there was little demand for, and thus a surfeit, of the one shilling.

Donald
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Rest in Peace
Canada
5701 Posts
Posted 01/27/2014   9:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Donald, it was quite common to use higher values for surcharges because, yes, they were not used as much and it also prevented postal forgeries. Who would buy a 1sh stamp and fake the overprint at 3p.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
BeeSee in BC
"The Postmark is Mightier than the Stamp"
http://brcstamps.com ---- BNAPS, RPSC, APS
Pillar Of The Community
United States
8414 Posts
Posted 01/27/2014   11:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
DLAMBERT------I believe their is a recorded variety or overprint flaw in this stamp ,its known that the "R" in THREE is a "p",I can not see yours too clearly but it may be the case .
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Australia
415 Posts
Posted 01/28/2014   12:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pagoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is no variety P for R. There are two types of the overprint on the 1s.,

R of Three & P of Pence with same fonts.

R of Three & P of Pence with different fonts.

However yours shows an unknown font for the R of Three which does not exist and therefore your example is a forgery.


Pagoda
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by pagoda - 01/28/2014 12:31 am
Pillar Of The Community
United States
7072 Posts
Posted 01/28/2014   12:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can't really come to terms with the cancel situation, either.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
7072 Posts
Posted 01/28/2014   12:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My SG Commonwealth lists a third type of overprint, Type 7, which is not an italic font. This one, if it could be anything, would have to be a Type 6a, based on the P.

I tried to blow up the picture to get a better look at the R, but a better scan would help much in seeing what is going on there.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
8414 Posts
Posted 01/28/2014   06:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
agree with CJD ,that black cancel looks suspect .It looks like it had a reddish cancel original and both overprint and cancel to hide the suspect cancel by washing and then the addition s were added .A clear scan would help.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
200 Posts
Posted 01/28/2014   2:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dlambert1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Please see new scan at 600 dpi instead of original 200 dpi scan.

Fonts of R in Three and of P in Pence look the same to me under magnification, but I am no expert.

Thanks for the help, so far.

Donald



Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
200 Posts
Posted 01/28/2014   2:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dlambert1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I meant to ask if forgeries of this stamp are common.

Donald
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Australia
415 Posts
Posted 01/28/2014   2:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pagoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Donald,

re.



Quote:
I meant to ask if forgeries of this stamp are common.


yes, and this is one of them,

There is so much wrong with virtually every letter, the design and the placement.

The postmark at the top looks OK whilst the postmark at the base appears to have been added to make it look like it is over the overprint.

Pagoda
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by pagoda - 01/28/2014 3:00 pm
Valued Member
United States
200 Posts
Posted 01/29/2014   10:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dlambert1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, Pagoda. Try to stay cool down there.

Donald
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
200 Posts
Posted 02/04/2014   7:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dlambert1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On 28 Jan, Pagoda wrote: "However your shows an unknown font for the R of Three which does not exist therefore yours is a forgery." See image below.





There is a Bermuda SC 12 for sale on ebay, with a certificate from the Royal Philatelic Society, which appears to me to have the same font for the R in Three as my stamp. See next image.




Comments are welcomed.

My stamp may still be a forgery, based on the apparent red and black cancellations, but it would be interesting to speak to the font issue.

Donald

Donald
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
8414 Posts
Posted 02/04/2014   9:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
DLAMBERT1----Think your right ,if your picture has a certificate attached to it .
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
Australia
415 Posts
Posted 02/04/2014   9:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pagoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
dlambert,

The T in Three is not clear in yours.
The H in Three is not clear in yours.
The R in Three are nothing like the other.
The E's in Three are nothing like the other.

The P in Pence is nothing like the other.
The E's in Pence is nothing like the other.
The N in Pence is nothing like the other.
The C of Pence is nothing like the other.

Pagoda
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by pagoda - 02/04/2014 9:40 pm
Page: of 2 Previous TopicReplies: 18 / Views: 3,758Next Topic  
Next Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Go to Top of Page

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2026 Stamp Community Forums
It took 0.22 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05