Scott 24 Paper Type?

I just got my first 2C LQ and of course I have to check the paper type. I have determined that it is a horizontally meshed paper by placing in distilled water as bottom curls quite rapidly almost into a tight cylinder. I did not expect the top to curl as it is heavily hinged with tape reminent. The meshed paper is quite easily seen with lighted background. When wet portions of the meshed paper as seen on the Queens face take on a thicker appearance although it is angular which does not suggest LAID PAPER. So what type of paper is it?

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If it curled up tight "like a cylinder" when placed in water it is a good possibility that it is "LAID PAPER". Or it was very dry,(never wet for 140 years).

Definatly not laid -- The curling is caused by the direction of the mesh in the paper process. This looks to be horizontal wove. If the patternm was more diagonal and heavy it would be bothwell. Horizontal wove will curl top and bottom where vertical will curl side to side.
Still gotta say your pics rock!

I love the large queen issue. They are my favorite stamps allong with #15. Of course, this is not laid paper. There are 10 types of papers used in the large queen issue and this, is quite a study by itself. Duckworth wrote a book on this subject and lists the paper types. For the two cent # 24, I beleive 9 types of paper were used. Type 1 and 2 are on thin paper, types 3, 4 and 10 are on horizontal mesh, type 5 is laid paper, type 6 is Bothwell paper, type 7 is a ivory and thin paper, type 8 is a soft white thick paper. Type 9 is a thin white tissue paper and is not recorded as used on #24.

In my opinion, yours is type 3, 4 or 10.

WoW Coriandre, you just taught me alot! So would 3,4,or 10 be just common Duckworth paper? Thank God it has a double right inner frame and a goatee!

If you are talking about the lines of the oval on the right side of the stamp, they are always doubled as it is part of the regular design. The "goatee" is a variety of the 3c #25 and is quite dramatic and pretty easy to see. The horizontal mesh paper types 3, 4 and 10 are the most common ones seen.

Here is the doubled right inside picture frame, and goatee.

"Duckworth" is not a paper type. It's the name of a classification system of the different paper types. The only two "named" paper types are Bothwell and Pirie, both of which are papers that are watermarked with the names of the makers (but only in some of the positions on the sheet).

I've started to put together a reference set of the papers. Only have the "blank" page on this PC, but I'll scan the different papers one of these days.

PS - there is no "goatee" flaw on the 2c.

That is BOTHWELL paper which is identified by the diamond pattern in the grain.

GJP

Ok coinwatcher, I've tried my 14 Mp Camera with the macro settings and still cant seem to achieve the level of detail of your pics. What exactly is the trick ? My hands just aren't steady enough to pull off this level of detail.

Wow, great information. Thanks very much. I was only joking about the goatee as the cancellation looks like a long goatee.

Stallzer your camera came with a disc for downloading pictures right? Put this program on your computer and download your pictures into the camera program. When you view the pictures you have downloaded into the camera's operating system you crop the area you want to highlight which well enlarge that area. You do this in the editing section of the program. I usually just crop, auto adjust image and if necessary sharpen image.
When taking the pictures just use Macro, auto focus, and auto function.
Hope this works for you.

I truly respect gportch as he is a true expert but, in this case, I disagree with his opinion. To me this does not ressemble Bothwell paper at all. Yes bothwell paper has a distinctive diamond pattern but, it is on vertical wove paper and, the diamond pattern is not like on your stamp. See this post for an example of Bothwell paper.
https://goscf.com/t/23815&SearchTerms=25a

I agree with you Coriandre. It is horizontal wove paper.

I said it was horizontal wove (relative to stamp) on my first post as the top and bottom curl when placed in water. Would this mean it could not be unmarked Bothwell paper? I thought the direction of the weave on the stamp depended on which way the paper was put in the printer?

If your stamp curls in from top and bottom it is Horizontal Wove paper. Vertical Wove paper curls in from the sides. As far as I know no Bothwell watermarked stamps have been found on Horizontal paper. They are all Vertical wove and the paper is very distinctive so un-watermarked stamps on that paper can also be distinguished from other vertical wove papers.