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Posted 05/01/2014   5:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well..I guess that is the way lithograving and everyone feels about my questions and curiosity as to what goes into this great catalog..Time for me to disappear from this post..Sorry that my curious requests aggravate people.
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Posted 05/01/2014   5:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Heh wert, you're not aggravating me, by no means.

I'm just stating that I believe there are limitations as to how
much information can be included in a stamp catalogue,
even a specialized one like Unitrade.

There was no intention on my part to stop you from posting any
suggestions you have which you feel should be added to the catalogue.
I just don't agree with some of your suggestions that's all.

Post away.

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Posted 05/01/2014   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have been enjoying your posts. Your enthusiasm for the hobby is refreshing.

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Posted 05/03/2014   10:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well...off Monday to buy the 2014 Unitrade catalog...The last one I got was given to me as a present..Don't know what they cost..??..What is a good price for the catalog..??
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Posted 05/03/2014   10:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I bought my 2014 catalogue which was my first purchase of the most current one for $30.00 CDN at a stamp show. I have been told that these 2014 catalogues have been sold out already.
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Posted 05/03/2014   10:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Any price is a good price. ;)
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Posted 05/03/2014   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:

Robert:

Die cut singles are produced by Canada Post, I believe, primarily for collectors. It is an opportunity to pick up a single of a self-adhesive stamp instead of having to purchase full booklet panes or larger coil multiples.

Sometimes the die cut single is also needed for Canada Post's annual collection (although, more and more, souvenir sheets are being used for this purpose).

As the name suggests, single stamps are 'die cut' from the larger booklet pane (or coil roll) giving a single stamp that also includes the original backing paper. The die cutting provides a nice clean single of the stamp and backing paper together.

If a collector attempted to 'make' one these it would be nearly impossible and a tell-tale sign of the proper die cut single would most likely be missing...

Here is an image of two die cut singles from the 2014 Quarter 4 pack:



The arrows are pointing to where the die cutting has left a small remnant of the adjacent stamp within the 'valley'. If you look very closely at the exact opposite side of the stamp you will that the 'peak' is slightly larger or sometimes frayed.

In the two examples here, there is a single remnant on each side; some die cut singles have had two remnants per side.

In some cases, se-tenant multiples have been kept together (such as strips of 5 or blocks of 4).

These die cut singles are really new varieties, as individual could not produce these from a full booklet/roll. The Unitrade catalogue gives a small premium to these.

In a few cases, the singles provided in the quarterly pack have even more 'unique', including the Petro Canada stamp of 2000 (Scott 1867b) and Superman (from last year).

The Unitrade does not list die cut singles of some of the early self-adhesives where the four sides were fully straight-edged. Anyone could take a booklet of these and simply cut there own. But, try and do that with a "perforated-looking" self-adhesive. As noted earlier, that would be impossible.

By the way, have enjoyed attempting to find all of the different single combinations that would exist from a full booklet. It does require many quarterly packs, and many times you get 'duplicates'.



Robin,

just a remark out of the blue since I have to explain this thing over and over again in other Forums!

What you call "die cut single" is just a "die cut" whereas the other stuff are "kiss die cuts"! In German speaking Forums I do have to tell the difference between "gestantzt" und "geschlitzt" or in Dutch "gestanst" (die cut) vs "geslit" ( kiss die cut)....

Using the adjective "single" does not help us much!

groetjes, Rein
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Posted 05/03/2014   11:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UnitradeEditor to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rein:

Thanks for the comment; I don't recall hearing the term "kiss" before, when referred to die cutting. I have heard of "kiss print", but that refers to a duplication of print.

Does "kiss" then mean "cut fully through the stamp and backing paper"? That doesn't seem consistent with "kiss print" (i.e. 'duplication').

Robin
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Posted 05/03/2014   12:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The only other time I have heard the expression 'kiss', was for booklet panes of Canada that had partial printing on the gum side, but, not necessarily in line with the actual print of the stamp itself.

Chimo

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Netherlands
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Posted 05/03/2014   12:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kiss die cut does NOT go through the backing paper, a die cut does! A kiss not going as far a a "tongue kiss" :)
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Posted 05/03/2014   12:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UnitradeEditor to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rein:

Sorry, I don't understand your comment then about "die cut singles" (as described in the Unitrade catalogue) vs. "kiss die cut" (as used in German forums)? How do they relate to each other?
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Posted 05/03/2014   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robin,

"Kiss die cut" is what you see with self-adhesives, where the backing paper is still there and you can easily peel off the stamps. Kiss die cut stamps are everywhere - not just Germany or the Netherlands - and the average public knows how to deal with them.

The philatelic service have invented a clever way of providing collectors with the stamps without the collectors having to buy complete sheetlets, business sheets, coils etc... Just a single stamp "die cut" throughout the backing paper, leaving a stamp that nobody wants to use for real franking. You call such stamp "die cut singles" whereas I suggest to call them just "die cut" versus "kiss die cut" for all the other self-adhesives meant for the general public to be used for franking.. No big deal!

Just a matter of terminology where your single may just as well refer to a single self-adhesive stamp, peeled off and used for franking. A "die cut single" vs a "single die cut" :)
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Posted 05/07/2014   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robin..If you are there, maybe you can answer this question..Please see link below..

https://goscf.com/t/37442
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Posted 05/10/2014   1:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JR1960 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Robin, can you clarify the Unitrade grading system? Do the grades VF, F etc only refer to centering, or does overall condition affect the grading? For instance, can a stamp be VF with a major flaw (heavy crease, tear, thin etc)?

It appears to me that more and more people are using grading to only refer to the centering of the stamp. If this is the case then is there another standard by which we should measure overall condition?
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Posted 05/12/2014   09:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UnitradeEditor to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
JR1960

Looking into an answer for you...

Robin Harris
Editor, Unitrade catalogue
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