Some Help With A US Cancel

I've submitted a mystery bond item to the appropriate group here and gotten a quick identification. So now I'm going to see what help I can get on this cover from the U.S. philatelic community.

I've had this cover for a long time. Take a look and give me some input on the cancellation. Can anyone determine the city involved? How about the color? [Sidebar: over time, does a blue cancel tend towards green? Does a green cancel get some blue tomes?]

Any observations are appreciated.

PS: I THINK the strike is from Elmira NY. Does Elmira have a history of green cancels?

Elmira, NY I agree.

Definitely is Elmira, NY. It appears green, but would need to see in person with good light to be sure. I know of a couple other New York state green cancels (Napanoch, Troy) from this period.

Elmira, NY. for sure.

FWIW

The key is what is the color on the STAMP, not the envelope.

It is always hard to tell color shades on a computer monitor - looking at the actual cover would be better. Having said that, it does not look green to me - it looks blue. I think that the slight greenish tint, if it is there, is a relic of blue ink on paper that has a yellowish tint either originally or from aging. If you remember from your art lessons back in school, blue paint plus yellow paint makes green paint.

Thanks for the input, gang. We all seem to agree it's an Elmira NY cancel.
The color is still a problem. I agree that trying to call a color from a monitor is difficult.

In the old days we used to use a color chart but I imagine in this technological age there are scientific approaches to coloration. Does anyone know how color is established by expertizing services these days? Is there a machine that gives a frequency reading?

I just made two more photos, one with the tint slider on my scanner moved a bit left. The second shows the slider moved about the same amount right.

This might help some: A quick Google search revealed that Frajola's site had an image of a GREEN CDS from Elmira, NY dated 1861. Unfortunately, the "detail" of the cover is no longer on file, so the best I could do is a screen shot ... at least it proves that Elmira, NY did use a green CDS back in the day:

Thanks, wt1. That's what I wanted to know. And thanks to everyone who chimed in.

Perhaps, but I am not convinced that the cover in the Frajola example is green either. It seems equally likely it could be aged blue to me, but that could be because it is a screenshot of an internet photo. I would expect that such things would need to be expertized by someone who has the cover in their hands and can subject it to testing. Until then I would go with Occam's razor - the simple answer is almost always the correct answer rather than the complicated and less likely answer until proven otherwise.

Since it was a Frajola example, I would tend to accept what Richard and the other menbers of that site have dertimened, if they think it is a green cancel form Elmira, NY. Most of the philatic community would accept their expert opinions.

littleriverphil - not all covers posted to rfrajola's site are confirmed as described by board members. Chances are that they have viewed the cover, but no guarantee. So, however it is likely good, but may not be just by being on the board. FYI, my take is that it is green.

Orstampman is correct.

While Richard's opinion on a classic cover is as good as gold, covers in the census are uploaded by individual members and he doesn't examine each one.

Board members have pointed out questionable items that have been added to the census before. Now, that's not to say that this is good or bad, and this cover is out of my area of knowledge.

Very few supposed green cancels on yellow and orange covers that I see for sale are actually green. I doubt this cancel is green and the one in the PhilaMercury cover census is suspect for the same reason.

For various reasons, people forget the childhood lesson that blue and yellow make green...