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G.b. Sea Horse 2s.6d. Reversed Water Mark ( Single Cypher )

 
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Posted 08/21/2014   05:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add randeni to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello again,


I have got few 2s.6d. sea horse varieties, both re-engraved and early issues. They are from Waterlow and De La Rue prints, but all of them are reversed watermarked. I wonder if this error is common?

Secondly, the catalogue I have doesn't go into much details about the major re-entries. The SG catalogue I have two pictures but not much details. Could someone help me with detail scans please?

Since you all know what I am talking about, I am not adding a scan here.

Hope to here from you all

cheers

randeni

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Posted 08/21/2014   08:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add randeni to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi
Here the image



Pardon me for the poor quality, but if you look closer you can see what I meant. By the way I will look for the correct forum for this.

cheers
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Posted 08/21/2014   09:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think you need to refine your images a bit,randeni.

Just to let anyone else know... if the watermark should look like this image when the back is observed then it is a reversed watermark. Stanley Gibbons illustrates all watermarks as being looked at from the front.


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Posted 08/21/2014   09:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Re your Waterlow and De La Rue stamps ... S.G. lists a few major re-entries in their Specialized Catalogue...
Waterlow 2/6 1913-18 on R2/1
De La Rue 2/6 of the same vintage on R2/1 and at r10/4
All mainly concern the shield area as being most noticeable....you will probably need a lightly used or mint stamp to see properly.
There are more re-entries for the Bradbury Wilkinson issue but you wanted the other ones.
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Posted 08/21/2014   5:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add randeni to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Scotzm,

Thanks I think I jump the gun, I admire your knowledge on the subject. Yes I had a close look at the stamps again, as I mentioned I was thinking why all of them are reversed water marked. In fact with my limited recourses I red them wrongly. Thanks for your help, as a new collector I always exited to explore the field.
By the way, the commonwealth & British Empire from SG 2013 listed two illustrations but not much details at all, and as these re-entries are expensive I would appreciate if some of you can help me with more details. Perhaps web site, scan or drawing please.

I also have GB SG #49 1/2d rose plate 6in bad condition but I noticed it has the letters AX and imperforated right margin. I will add this one into new topic with scan but anyone has idea about the value?
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Posted 08/22/2014   03:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Regarding re-entries on this stamp... don't hold your breath trying to find one. Far better to concentrate mainly on shades and watermark varieties. But... keep looking anyway but you need patience and expertise... and another opinion... and confirmation... etc.
Anyway, here is an example of a stamp printed by Waterlow S.G.399 with re-entry position R2/1... most of the shield is involved. As said previously, you need a mint or decent lightly cancelled stamp to even begin to see a re-entry...not very likely with most 2/6 as they tend to be used for parcels and get heavy postmarks.




A "normal" mint stamp would be worth around 300-400 UK pounds depending on shade. With this re-entry you can expect to pay 1000 and a bit more
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Posted 08/22/2014   03:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Regarding your S.G.49 halfpenny stamp.... post it anyway but condition is everything when making a value estimate. Normal S.G. value catalogues at £24 for a plate 6... a very common plate. Obtainable for 10 or 20% of that price for a decent specimen so if in poor condition I suspect it can only be used as a space-filler and worth 20-50 pence or less. Post it anyway.

edit: forgot you AX lettering. Not unusual as every sheet normally had one edge imperforated...either the A (left side) or the X (right side) but has added value of around x3... possibly!
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Edited by scotzm - 08/22/2014 03:42 am
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Posted 08/22/2014   08:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add randeni to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply




Hi Scotzm

Here I posted the scan of GB #49 as you requested, not a quality stamp but I am happy to have it as the running letters are AX and the imperf. right margin.

Since the catalog I have are not specialized, can I ask you few scans of 2/6 seahorse re-entries from your specialized catalog please?

Now I have enough information about water mark and I will have a another close look and come back to you later.

cheers
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Posted 08/22/2014   11:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's almost impossible to see some re-entries without specialist knowledge of what to look for... and the detail is very fine so will not show up very well on scans and photos really. But... here is what to look for in your 2/6 stamps.



Left shield is normal... right shield vertical lines are doubled. Click the scan to enlarge a bit.

See what I mean? You really need to have a"clean" stamp...mint or fine used to even begin to look for re-entries.
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Posted 08/23/2014   8:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add randeni to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scotzm,

If I were to look and compare the two pix on the catalog find out the differences I would have spent days without success.

Thanks for your help mate. I admire your time and effort putting in to the community.

cheers

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Posted 11/14/2024   3:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Wesleyhanes to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all, I know this is a very old thread but I found a re-entry in my collection, any idea how much this is worth today?



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Posted 11/15/2024   05:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Wesleyhanes to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you @rogdcam
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