Help Identifying These 2c Washington Stamps

Hi! Any thoughts about theses stamps colors? Color identifying drives me a bit crazy. Do you now any resourse were you can see an example of stamp colors? Just the color, not the stamp.

I'm pretty sure there is not any Type II triangle. My big question. Do I have any Type IV?

larger individual scans would help us help you.

Try these links maybe you can tell yourself? We would need a much higher resolution image of each individual stamp and that could be a potential pain the butt to do. :)

http://1847usa.com/1894/2cTriangleTypes.htm

http://www.theswedishtiger.com/ID220.html

Here are the individual images:

AB

CD

EF

GH

IJ

K

This would be the ideal size for picking out details.

1847usa.com is a very useful site. I_Love_Stamps already pointed it out, but I'm going to provide you with relevant links that are somewhat difficult to find on that site:

http://stampsmarter.com/1847usa/189...leTypes.html
http://stampsmarter.com/1847usa/189...ype3Vs4.html

Try to identify them yourself. If you get confused, then please post again here and we'll help you the best that we can.

-EDIT missed an "n"

they are either, scott #248, #249, #250, #251, #252, #267 or #279b

I know A,B and C have Type 1 Triangle. But I'm not able to determine the color to know if they are #248 #249 or #250. And I'm 99% sure they have no watermarks (#265).

Stamp D looks like it has part of an S watermark and with Type III triangle. I'll go for #267 (not sure about the color). I don't see any clear watermakr on E, but looks just like D.

F and G has part of an you and S watermark and show Type III triangle so I think they might be #267. Maybe these could be Type IV

H has part of an you watermark and again Type III triangle. So #267. This one could be Type IV too.

I has a watermark although I'm not sure with letter is ti. #267.

I'm not sure about J. It shows what looks like a watermark but it's so faint that I don't know.

The same thing happens with K.

So this is what think. Let me know your opinions.

This is a neat site though, a few years earlier than your stamps but same basic design, could be somewhat helpful perhaps in the future? http://www.uspcs.org/the-1870-93-is...knote-issue/

Poleas, indentifying color is difficult to discuss on the internet. In general, identifying color causes many headaches.

There are many variations of monitor and scanner calibrations. Unless we all spend $200+ and several hours, we are all going to see different colors.

Colors can vary with time, chemical or sunlight exposure, etc.

Inks when made can vary in color due to many things. Modern ink manufacturing using calibrated electronics and very reproducible processes to result in very stable and consistent colors.

Even the paper that an ink is put on will vary the color. Graphic designers go to great lengths to match inks, papers, and more to produce the correct resulting color shade.

Things like wars can create a scarcity of a certain pigment to make the ink. Price fluctuation of pigments can create a desire to change color shade by using less or more of a type of pigment.

Unless your example's color comes very close to one of the Scott varieties, or at least it differs from the standard color greatly, then call it unknown for now and consider it the common variety.

You basically need to have a physical reference in front of you. A set of stamps or an expensive color guide is useful.

Here are links to a few recent color shade discussions:
https://goscf.com/t/39945
https://www.stampcommunity.org/topi...IC_ID=39434&

From what I deduce, color variations occur inside of Scott variations and between series issues. Ink formulation certainly wasn't an exact science near the turn of the 20th century.

First off, does C have a re-entry in the left "2"? That seems to be the most collectible thing among all of your stamps.

Please go through my above posted links and look at each of your stamps one by one. I've confused myself many times by trying to find characteristics across more than one stamp at a time.

Your posted images are just barely large enough to pick out the details. In the future, try to post each stamp with as large as an image size as possible. It's a pain, but the image optimizer on this forum does work pretty well.

From my very inexperienced mind looking at small images, here are my opinions. I went through your images very quickly so there may be many errors. These type identifications take a while to get used to.

A, B, C: definitely not lake in any variation. So not 249. They are kind of close to carmine, so 250 is a possibility

D and E do look pinkish and type III because of many characteristics. In the future, post only a few stamps and give your reasons why you believe that they are one type or another. Expressing pure frustration is perfectly valid as well. These things are not easy to learn.

E type III because I think that I can see the absence of the strengthened hair that is present in type IV. Pink.

F has line in hair, dots in ear, straight T, so IV

G has line in hair, straight T, so IV

H has line in hair, dots in ear, straight T, so IV

I has round T, soft dots in ear, so III, not rose carmine, looks pinkish.

J no strengthened hair, soft ear dots, round T, so III.

K no strengthened hair, round T?, portrait oval is smooth, so probably III

http://www.theswedishtiger.com/248-scotts.html has some nice large images of the different types and color varieties.

As said before, identifying color varieties on non-color calibrated monitors and scanners is very difficult. After you accumulate many examples, you'll start to see patterns in the color variances between issues.

Larger posted images helps a lot. Also, consider posting one stamp or one type of a stamp at a time. Going through 11 stamps at once and providing information for each inside of one post is quite difficult and confusing.

Good luck!

What do you mean by re-entry? It does seem to be a funny 2.

http://www.re-entries.com/index.html

"In a nutshell, a re-entry is doubling of some or all of the design of a line-engraved postage or revenue stamp, caused by misapplication of the transfer roll on the plate."

Yours seems to be a double transfer, but I am not knowledgeable enough to know for sure.

Here are some examples on U.S. stamps:
http://www.re-entries.com/usa_re-entries.html

Some are quite valuable, some are common, some are listed in the Scott catalogue, some are the only one known to exist. I can't tell you much more because I just don't know much about them except for the famous ones.

You might try posting a large scan of that stamp as a new thread.

Here is a detail of that stamp. It does seem to be a double transfer. I didn't noticed it.

Post that image and a large scan of the whole stamp as a new topic here on the classic forum.

I tried googling for double transfer 250 and haven't come up with anything yet.

The "T's" have been driving me bonkers... Sometimes I can't tell whether they are straight or curved or even where on the inner t I am looking.