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Strange KGV Australian Invert

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Posted 11/07/2014   7:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Horamkhet to your friends list Get a Link to this Message




Hi to all

Now this stamp with the watermark inverted is fairly easy to find, but this one is different. It is a 2d King George V with SG watermark 15.
Instead of having the C of A inverted as well, the C of A is upright and facing to the right, and only the crown is inverted.

Now all the other copies I have, are how they should be, with the Crown and the C of A inverted.

As Aleister Crowley was apt to say " I am perplexed"
Any comments are always appreciated.
Sorry for the bad photos, but they are the best I could get.

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Horamakhet
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Posted 11/07/2014   8:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add langtounlad to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks normal to me. Turn the stamp so that the imperf side is at bottom then view on a matt black surface such as the back of a hagner and tell us what you see. If you want a more definitive opinion you will have to obtain scans at least a resolution of 300 and at least twice the size you have posted above. Photographs on shiny black surfaces just do not show enough detail.

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Frank
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Posted 11/07/2014   10:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi langtounlad

In the issue that has the watermark inverted, the entire watermark is inverted. This only has the crown inverted, and as you can see the C of A is not inverted, and is facing the direction as if you were viewing from the front of the stamp, but is is from the back. The C of A should be inverted as well and facing the other direction.
The watermark is a mixture of reversed and inverted, when it should be inverted only. I can only find an inverted watermark listed in the Stanley Gibbons Catalogue, so that is why I am puzzled. I have on found the one copy of this stamp with this combination. Do you have a catalogue reference when I can find it listed in Stanley Gibbons?
I will try and get another larger scan, but, it is proving hard.
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Horamakhet.
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Posted 11/07/2014   10:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I hate to ask, but I accidentally made the same mistake several times. Are there, perhaps, two stamps stuck together? Just a silly thought.
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Posted 11/07/2014   10:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To me, it still looks like the correct, normal watermark. The "C of A"s are not really that clear, from what I can see. It appears that you have one inverted "A" which is confusing things, but the "A" may be just part of a cancellation on the other side, or part of the crown from a hidden crown. Can you scan front and back normally?
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Posted 11/08/2014   12:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add langtounlad to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Partime

If you are referring to what appears to be a letter A to the left of the lower C, this is actually part of a crown. I did suggest to Horamkhet that he turn the stamp upside down to get a better view of the watermark then he will see that his normal looking C is in fact reversed as it should be. Unfortunately my scanner is out of action at present or I would include scans to demonstrate.

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Posted 11/08/2014   12:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now that is something very strange Horamkhet.

Your image is as we are looking at the printed side of the stamp because of the position of the CofA but to have the crown up side down does not make sense. If the crown was not up side down we could call the stamp as printed on the gummed side.

I have never seen anything like it. Very unusual....I just do not know!

Noticed the top of your stamp looks a bit......
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Posted 11/08/2014   12:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It very well could be from a booklet and still a very reasonable stamp!

The CofA is in the right position.

I can clearly see an "A" a "C" and a "of".

I can also clearly see the crown is upside down.
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Posted 11/08/2014   12:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
If you are referring to what appears to be a letter A to the left of the lower C, this is actually part of a crown.


Exactly! I think he'll find that it is a normal stamp and that he just needs to flip it over. Perhaps just an inverted watermark, which is pretty common for some of those .. a booklet stamp.
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Posted 11/08/2014   12:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Australia KGV watermarks.

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Posted 11/08/2014   12:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The "A" we can see is not apart of the crown or lines up with the crown.
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Posted 11/08/2014   02:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yep! The winning ID for this stamp is from Partime.


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I think he'll find that it is a normal stamp and that he just needs to flip it over. Perhaps just an inverted watermark, which is pretty common for some of those .. a booklet stamp.
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Posted 11/08/2014   04:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Here is a picture of the watermark SG15 what it would look like if it was inverted.
Now if you look closely, the C of A is facing the wrong direction and is upright in the stamp I am showing. The crown in the centre is inverted.

I have looked at the stamp all directions, and on a black tray with shellite (lighter fluid) and it definitely has an inverted crown and the C of A upright as if you were viewing it from the front, but I am viewing it from the back.
I have plenty of the inverts from booklets, and yes they are common, but no matter which way I turn it, the crown on this one is definitely inverted and the C of A upright.

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Edited by Horamkhet - 11/08/2014 04:54 am
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Posted 11/08/2014   04:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Anyway, has anyone seen this variety, and do they know if it is listed in the lasted 2014 edition of the ACSC, I have not bought a copy as yet, but hopefully in the next week

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Posted 11/08/2014   5:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
But the "A" is upside down with the crown and the "C" is in a classic inverted position.

What am I missing? Take another image with the stamp up side down and it will confirm or not?

Have to go out will have a look at your next stamp when I get home. :)
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Posted 11/08/2014   5:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all, The way the watermark is for this issue the letters will never be horizontally next to each other, there will always be a crown in between the letters. What appears to be an upside down "A" to the right of the "C" is the left side of a crown. Respectfully. Gary
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