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Posted 11/17/2014   10:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add decrynne to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi Guys. So I got some help identifying the stamp on another thread.. 11a to everyones Agreement it seems. And now the envelope itself.. It is beautiful no doubt, but is it unuasual for such a time period and how does one put some sort of a value on such a Thing?

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Posted 11/17/2014   10:52 am  Show Profile Check paperhistory's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This sort of embossing is not unusual on "ladies covers" of the period. I wouldn't view it as providing a significant premium.
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Posted 11/17/2014   12:46 pm  Show Profile Check KRelyea's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KRelyea to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I bought 25 of these at an auction, I have sold them for $10-50 depending upon stamp, cancel, ornateness etc. These often have dates around Valentines day.
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Posted 11/17/2014   8:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If these have dates around Valentine's Day they are generally considered to be Valentine covers (with no way to prove it!) but otherwise are considered "Ladies" covers aand as KRelyea says, the price range is $10/20. range with the more ornate bringing th most and least prnate the least. I would consider yours a $10./15. item.
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Posted 11/17/2014   9:21 pm  Show Profile Check KRelyea's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KRelyea to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've been calling them "Embossed Ladies Covers" and they are not flying off the shelf as they say. I'd price the cover shown at $15 and accept any offer over $10.
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I would expect $5 for a quick sale or $10 if I could hold out to find the right buyer. It is a ladies cover. The embossing is not unusual and does not really add anything. The things that hold it back from being a $10 to $20 cover is the poor cancel and it is kind of soiled. People want nice, dark, fully inked, easy to read from 5 feet away cancels on nice crisp clean covers.
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Posted 11/18/2014   06:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would consider it a "ladies cover" I like it!
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Posted 11/18/2014   2:21 pm  Show Profile Check KRelyea's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KRelyea to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I looked up the covers that I sold in the $50 range and not surprisingly I misremembered a bit. Here are the 3 covers;











These all have nice bold CDS including the bright green, but what I forgot was that these also had seals on the back;









These little personal seals were popular in the mid 19th C and are collected by some people. I believe they are called "wafer seals" but I'm not sure about that, but I know they sell well.
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Posted 11/18/2014   2:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
KRelyea: That first "ladies cover" you scanned, addressed to a Mrs. Mary E. Goldthwait of Dexter Asylum, Providence, RI, brought up a rather disturbing history of how the Dexter Asylum functioned back in the day:


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The Dexter Asylum served as an institution for the care of the poor, aged and mentally ill of Providence from 1828 to 1957. The Asylum began through a bequest in the will of Ebenezer Knight Dexter (1773-1824), a wealthy citizen who had served on a town committee for poor relief. Dexter's gift to the town, though much needed at the time, later was seen as an anachronism--a walled and isolated "poor farm" in the midst of Providence's residential east side. Beginning in the 1920's, city officials, developers and assorted heirs made several attempts to change the conditions of the will, and in 1957, they finally succeeded. The Dexter Asylum property was sold to Brown University.

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Living conditions, as depicted in early lists of rules and punishments, work records and daily menus, were hardly desirable by present standards. Visitors were permitted only once every three weeks; male and female inmates were strictly separated; the evening meal consisted of white bread and tea; and those found guilty of drinking, "immoral conduct," "loud talking or disrespectful behavior" or faking illness to avoid work were subject to "confinement in bridewell (a jail cell) for a time not exceeding three days, and of being kept on short allowance of food." An 1843 observer reported one-quarter of the inmates insane, yet medical records reveal no attempt at treating mental illness beyond confinement in the "maniac cells."

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A 1941 article in the Providence Sunday Journal characterized the asylum as a "well-meaning legacy of a bygone day which has made time stand still."




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Posted 11/18/2014   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blcjr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As depressing as that report on the Dexter Asylum may be, we are hardly better, as a society, of taking care of the mentally ill today. We've simply gone from one extreme (lack of adequate care in institutions) to the other (lack of care because of the deinstitutionalization movement.
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Posted 11/19/2014   12:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add decrynne to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks you all very much for you Input and pics.. I am not going to sell it- have never sold anything (yet) but would like to leave an approx value for my son when the time Comes..and provided he Shows some sort of interest..
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