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Rest in Peace
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Posted 02/16/2015   8:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys...like I said earlier, I got a bunch of WW stamps but mostly from Britain..Got this there to..Is this even a stamp...?
Robert


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Posted 02/16/2015   8:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LarryBruce to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 02/16/2015   8:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is neat Wert.

The symbols on it ar like Nova Scotia symbols. Roses for England, 4-leaf clovers for Ireland at the bottom, and thistles at right for Scotland.

Perhaps 1 D at top left.
11 = ??
I am not sur of anything.

The letters B and H maybe under the crown (three pointed)/

Bill or Note, 1889 ? maybe, so ??
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Posted 02/16/2015   9:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And here is the back of this so called stamp.


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Posted 02/16/2015   10:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is an embossed revenue stamp from Great Britain, embossed on November 1, 1889. There is at least one specialized catalogue of these...lots of die differences. I have a simplified list somewhere......where did I store it? (What did I name it?) It is unlikely to be definitive, but it might shed some additional light on it.
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Posted 02/16/2015   10:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Similar to embossed stamps that appeared on Canadian cheques for many years.
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Posted 02/16/2015   10:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh the crown is bigger, my eyes deceive me.
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Posted 02/17/2015   03:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
maybe it's a cut corner/Cut-to-shape from a document or envelope?
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Posted 02/17/2015   07:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dianne Earl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have not yet seen one of those wert.

Thanks for sharing.

Dianne
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Posted 02/17/2015   08:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have many of these embossed revenues but they are occasionally included in a lot that I have bought for instance. They are cut (sometimes to shape) from legal document etc



As already mentioned the date plugs were changed on a daily basis... I particularly like the embossed stamp with the 7 - 2 - 93 date as they have managed to put a square plug in a round hole
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Posted 02/17/2015   08:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
scotzm, I like that February plug.

A Bill or Note stamp was used to show payment of the required duty (tax) on promissory notes and bills of exchange. Embossed revenues frequently list no specific purpose, and are intended for general use.
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Posted 02/17/2015   09:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jenny2U to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
... as they have managed to put a square plug in a round hole



Leave it up to the Victorians to find a solution for every problem
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Posted 02/17/2015   10:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a hard enough time putting a round plug in a round hole.....
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Posted 02/17/2015   10:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"They are cut (sometimes to shape) from legal documents etc"
On a technical point... they are actually cut from documents/ papers with that sort of stamp embossed on it. The presence of a stamp makes it a legal document i.e can be presented in court etc. No stamp meant no legal leg to stand on... although prosthetic limbs were probably due revenue tax so the government coffers gained in any case
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Posted 02/17/2015   11:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
An interesting point. Would an English court have refused to enforce a promissory note that didn't bear evidence of paying the initial duty? Even if you paid your court fee to have your case heard?

I could believe it; it would certainly be a motivating factor to pay the duty, but I'm curious to know if that was/is the case...
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Posted 02/17/2015   11:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All questions can be answered here (apparently)...

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga...5/38/enacted

Far too much legal talk for me but this 1891 Act is still in force today with only slight amendments...the original and the amended versions can be seen.
I'd have presumed that some other options were available to legitimize documents etc but it seems that the UK government made great use of the embossed stamps and that might have been the best option in "legalizing" many documents etc.
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