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#35 Missplaced Re-Entry?

 
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Posted 02/22/2015   12:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add darth to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
hey guys, I just found a very nice copy of what to seem a very nice missplaced re-entry,





we can clearly see it in cent 1


what you guys think of it? missplaced?

if it is a misplaced it is not listed on ralph website. and yes Wert I sent him , but like the other, still no awnser.

thanks
darth
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Posted 02/22/2015   1:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure what a misplaced re-entry is actually.

Do you mean a retouched die, where someone goes over the engraving again by hand to fix little worn bits here and there?

A re-entry itself is a rolling over again by the original die over the plate that slips and shifts a bit.


The 1 looks something like that , but perhaps with the extra dots showing on the Queen's head also, some of these might be ink splatter or flying inked debris?

Maybe the 1 is having some acid problems or something originally?


Nice to see a printer's alignment dot lower left but in the actual design below the 1 there. I don't think this position has been shown before.

Oh, and the edge of the pane or plate too.
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Posted 02/22/2015   2:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think what we see in CENTS could be pulled ink, doesn't look like a double transfer.
What are the two dots in the lower right margin, here?



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Posted 02/22/2015   2:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think what we see in CENTS could be pulled ink, doesn't look like a double transfer.
What are the three dots in the lower right margin, here?
Bye the way, looking for flyspecks on a stamp of this color reminds me for the U.S.Official Agriculture issue, which is almost this color.



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Edited by littleriverphil - 02/22/2015 3:15 pm
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Posted 02/22/2015   10:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add darth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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A re-entry itself is a rolling over again by the original die over the plate that slips and shifts a bit.


From what I know, a re-entry is a re-engraving of the plate to recycle it, that left over remain of the old one. For this purpose, it is constant, that why it is listed in catalogue and have a POSITION on plate asigned.

My interpretation of it:



Do I m wrong?
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Posted 02/23/2015   12:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A couple of things to ponder:

1. The color makes it challenging. It might be helpful if you could post a similar enlarged scan of the lower right corner with some of the contrast/exposure parameters cranked-up to create more contrast or even a significant change of color? Particularly useful too if the resolution can be increased, as it appears fuzzy on my screen.

2. re: double transfer, reentry, etc. While it may indeed be ink-pull, there do appear to be streaks/bits of extra ink within the blank areas of the C, E, T, and 1. If they have a regular relation to the design, it could be a case where the transfer roll was barely touched to the plate in the incorrect position and made a very few faint indentations of its high-points, but not enough for the plate maker to spend the time burnishing-out (or a hasty, incomplete burnishing of his error), then he correctly repositioned the transfer roll and entered the full design over the slightly flawed plate. Nothing as major as a reentry or reengraving at all, but this is much guesswork with the current images.
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Edited by John Becker - 02/23/2015 12:08 am
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Posted 02/23/2015   09:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add darth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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It might be helpful if you could post a similar enlarged scan of the lower right corner with some of the contrast/exposure parameters cranked-up to create more contrast or even a significant change of color?



Here we go:










Here the left side: The ''1 one'' make me remember the major re-entry, it pretty simmilar

Here the Major one from re-entry.com





i also notice the same kind of line that we have in CENT in CANADA






We can also see a doubling on left side







to me, it really look like a re-entry.
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Posted 02/23/2015   11:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I sent the same type of stamp with more intense lines..waiting to hear from Ralph.

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Posted 02/23/2015   11:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add darth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I sent the same type of stamp with more intense lines..waiting to hear from Ralph.


So I m on the right path ^^ Good :)


Wert, do I m right on the Re-Entry schematique?
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Posted 02/23/2015   1:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You could be garth, but I would direct all my possible re-entries towards Ralph t re-entries.com and then if it works in your favour, post and be proud of what you have.
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