Large Queen Guide Dots - Should Be At The Bottom

According to Duckworth's, the guide dots on the Large Queen stamp were at the bottom of each stamp on the far right side and actually appear on the next stamp over to the right.

The 1st column of stamps don't display the guide dot. It starts at the 2nd column where the guide dot(s) for the first column will be at the bottom left and continue until the last column where dots are actually in the selvedge.

Here is a 2c Large Queen, which I believe is from Column 10, that shows the Guide Dot at the left and the right. Below is a 3c Large Queen which has 2 Guide Dots in the top left corner. This seems strange to me. Is this normal or odd?

Jimjung, your 2 cent scan is beautiful. I am sorry, but I do not know if the two guide dots are normal!
I collect US Transportation Series coils, and the earlier dozen of those all exhibit LOM's, either dots or lines or both. I have some 17 cent coils that show 2 dots, one with a guide line through it and the other close to it. I think the engraver put the dot in the wrong place and entered another one in the correct place. Removing this extra dot was probably not thought of as necessary because all LOM's were supposed to be removed. Could that explain the extra dot on the 3 center?

Peter

The two cent LR guide dot is for the stamp to its left, one usually does not see it because it is in selvedge / margin. The three cent dot is probably an imprint alignment dot for top margin.

Archerg, thank you for the input. You agree with Jimjung on the guide dot on the two cent. You call the dot on the 3 cent an imprint alignment dot, which is a brand new indication I have never heard of before. Is that the same as an LOM or a guide dot? By the way, the question was why there are two dots there instead of the usual one, and I think I tried to answer that!

Peter

Glenn (archerg) - That's quite interesting. So this is a top row stamp. I have just now read that it may be a centre point (Duckworth's, Page 46), although it is only confirmed on the 6c.

Peter, the guide dots on the Large Queen issue is documented as having the Guide Dots at the lower left. This 3c stamp is unusual in that there are two guide dots at the top left.

archerg is saying that these are likely for lining up the Printer's Imprint at the top of the sheet. Now this issue not only had an Imprint but I believe there was also a large Counter which read THREE CENTS in shaded uppercase letters.

The two cent LL guide dot is the alignment dot for the Column 9 stamp to left

"I think the engraver put the dot in the wrong place and entered another one in the correct place. "

Is this the job of the engraver???? Isn't it a preparatory job before the stamp moletting can take place???

Glenn,

If you are saying the 2c is Column 10, then I can almost say that this stamp is position 100. Notice the guide dot at the upper right margin and the large lower margin. I'm sure that the stamp below would show if it was higher up on the sheet.

This stamp has a flaw in the O of POSTAGE that I haven't seen before and is not noted in Duckworth's.

Galeoptix, on this Large Queen issue, the indentations for positioning the Transfer Roll were not burnished away and appear as guide dots on most of the stamps.

Ok, I am guessing here on what I know,

I have another copy of the same stamp as Jimjung, I can say it because his stamp have a re-entry and I found another copy

My question is the following:

What I know;
-Glenn Says UL dot were from TOP margin
-My copy do not show Guide dot, I assume First column

So, First column, Top stamp, did we mean this Minor re-entry could be POSITION #1 ?

Down here Copy of my stamp and a compare chart with Jimjung one.

They both have the Exact same double in ''T'' same, twisting in HREE of THREE, the extra line in the LL ornemend, the same doubling line in N of CANADA and many other thing that make it a second copy constant plate variety.

Since we see the lower margin on my stamp, we can also notice a faint doubling of LF and LR loop





Tell me what you guys think about it!


!UPDATE!

Jimjung provide me an HD scan of his stamp, now there no doubt, It is the same stamp



Jimi