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Posted 08/21/2015   5:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add DonSellos to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone translate the cancel on this stamp? Is it a postal cancel?

Thanks.

Don





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Posted 08/21/2015   6:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure about the top line.

2nd line is Fukagawa (district) of Tokyo.

28August1894 (hopefully, I converted the year date correctly)
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Posted 08/21/2015   7:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That top line reads 'Musashi'. Fukagawa is in Koto ward in Tokyo.
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Posted 08/21/2015   9:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DonSellos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So the postmark is Musashi, Fukagawa District (Tokyo), Aug 28, 1894.

This stamp is headed for my Stamps Kept for Their Cancels collection. Many thanks. I appreciate your help.

Don
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Posted 08/21/2015   9:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DonSellos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It just occurred to me that "Musashi" was the name of the Japanese battleship that was sunk in 1944 in the Battle of Leyte Gulf during the U.S. reconquest of the Philippines Islands.

Does Musashi have an English translation?

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Posted 08/21/2015   9:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philatarium to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Musashi" appears to be a place name for an area for what is now part of Tokyo.

Here are a couple of articles that explain:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musashi_Province

https://markystar.wordpress.com/201...kyo_saitama/

The Wikipedia article for the battleship also sheds a little light on this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan...ship_Musashi

Thanks for asking! Learned something new today!

And thanks, Tony, for doing the heavy lifting!

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Posted 08/21/2015   9:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DonSellos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Does Musashi have an English translation?


Maybe "grassy plain" according to the second link above.

Thanks, Philatarium.

Don
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Posted 08/22/2015   12:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
'Musashi' might well have originally come from the old Ainu word, but the characters used then and now to write it don't have anything at all to do with grassy plains. The characters mean something more like 'warehouse of warriors'.

The 'Mu' of Musashi is the same character as the 'Bu' of 'Bushido', with a different pronunciation:
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Posted 10/25/2015   01:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add unechan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some comments on the cancellation itself;

This cancellation is a Bisected Circle Type Datestamps (JBC-1 in "Handbook of Japanese Postmarks", 2008 Edition, Japan Philatelic Society). There are numerous variation of this cancellation and this particular sample could be categorized as "delivery number blank".

The JBC-1 cancellation consists of information of the post office (upper part, above the horizontal line) and date/delivery information (lower part). The post office information usually consists of the province name on the first line and post office name in the second line, with several varieties such as 3-line version. This sample has a standard format, and the information is as described in the former posts. The delivery information consists of the year / month (1st line), date (2nd line) and the third line which can either be;

- delivery number, using the "I-Ro-Ha" style order for counting the delivery number. ("i"=first, "Ro"=second, "Ha"=third, "Ni"=fourth, "Ho"=fifth, and so on). Unlike the western cancellation/datestamp, the delivery time was not shown in those days.



- "Den-Shin" (telegraph), showing that the stamp has been used to pay the telegraph fee. Several variations such as "Tori-Atukai" (handling), "Den-Po" (telegraph), and "Jyu-Ryo" (accepted) exist with less information in their usage.



- "Den-Wa" (telephone), showing that the stamp has been used to pay the telephone fee.

[no sample in my collection ...]

- or, blank (as in this particular case)



This "blank" line could be either of postal usage at small post office where there was only one delivery per day (i.e. such that there was no need to identify the delivery number), postal usage for acceptance of packets and registered mail in post office branches, or non-postal usage for miscellaneous transactions such as postal savings, telegraph, postal money etc.

As the Fukawaga post office is a rather large post office, we can exclude the possibility that this stamp (and cancellation) is of postal usage, and it is very likely that it was used as non-postal usage for miscellaneous transactions as described above. It is a nice and clean SON cancellation indeed, and would be a nice contributor to your collection !

Collecting Japanese cancellations is quite tricky as the difficulty depends on the combination of the cancellation type and the stamp. There is very little chance of finding high face value stamp with postal usage cancellations, but also very little chance of finding low face value stamp with non-postal usage cancellation, which makes this hobby really fun !

Regards from Osaka, Japan

unechan
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Posted 10/25/2015   11:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
unechan, you're such a valuable asset to our community!
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Posted 10/26/2015   11:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DonSellos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
unechan:

Many thanks for the added details about the cancellation. Interesting stuff.

Don
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