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Posted 02/06/2016   2:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Mihaela to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello to all!
I'm new here, I don't know much about stamps, I'm not a collector, but recently I inherited many from my uncle who was a philaterist.
Can anyone tell me more about this stamp? Year, value, condition...
As I see on the interent this kind, it's high valued. Also I would like to know if it is possible to obtain a certificate, maybe it's a forgery? I appreciate any response. Thank you!






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Posted 02/06/2016   2:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mihaela, and welcome to the forum. I believe the item you are showing is not a stamp per se but a cut-out, probably from an envelope or postal card. In the shape it is in ( called a square ) it is most likely not worth 40 ( dollars, pounds? ).

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Posted 02/06/2016   2:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello. Welcome to the forum.

Do you know how to look for a watermark?
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Posted 02/06/2016   2:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know, Peter. It doesn't look that bad to me. It might be worth up to 200 quid or so.
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Posted 02/06/2016   2:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Year, value, condition..."

1847, £22,000 (SG Valuation) VG unused

However...your stamp shows no sign of the vertical security threads (two per stamp and 5mm apart) and there would appear to be no embossing to be seen (especially noticeable... or NOT noticeable on the back of the stamp scan). I'd be a wee bit suspicious ...

P.S. these one shilling stamps have no watermark.
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Posted 02/06/2016   2:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
scot, I was using this as a resource: http://www.theswedishtiger.com/gb/54.html. Am I mistaken?
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Posted 02/06/2016   3:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No, you are not mistaken. That site states there is a watermark.
I was using my reference.. Stanley Gibbons Specialised Queen Victoria and it states..
1/- Green On Dickinson silk thread paper (two threads 5mm apart) No watermark. Imperf
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Posted 02/06/2016   6:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
S.G. Great Britain concise lists the exact same, On "Dickinson" paper with silk threads. Also the die number should be indicated on the base of the bust.
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Posted 02/06/2016   6:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
IIRC there is a postal stationary with a very similar design to the stamp. This might be from that...
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Posted 02/06/2016   7:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you hold it up near a light at a slight angle the silk threads should be quite visible.





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Posted 02/07/2016   2:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have never taken a lot of interest in this group of GB stamps so rely on proper reference books and illustrations. Going way back to Stanley Gibbons Priced Catalogue 1917 seems to have all the information on the 1/- value...

The one shilling value is on Dickinson "silk" thread paper. No watermark (only the sixpence stamp is watermarked V R)
1/- 1847 die 1
1/- 1853 die 2
The die numbers are indicated on the base of the bust.

From December 1904 stamps impressed o envelopes, wrappers, postcards and letter cards could be cut out and used as postage...
1855-58 1/- green (dated and undated)... so presumably the cut-outs can exist with or without date plugs.
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Posted 02/07/2016   6:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There were four versions of the one shilling die used for "stamped to order" items:

1. With three small date slugs for day, month and year around the bottom of the Queen's head, e.g "28", "3" and "93" for 28th March 1893.

2. With three "florets" made up of five dots in place of the date slugs.

3. With three "florets" made up of nine dots in place of the date slugs.

4. Without either dates or florets.
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Posted 02/11/2016   02:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mihaela to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your answers. There is no silk threads. So I understand that mine it is a stationery cut out?
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Posted 02/11/2016   03:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As stallzer has shown, the threads have to be there to be a genuine stamp. Your stamp, had it been a genuine unused example, would have a Gibbons catalog value of £22,000 (reality check indicates a £4,000 value). Unused and with those 4 clear margins like yours is extremely rare.
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