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Spain 1855 Queen Isabella II 1R Unstamped

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Posted 02/10/2016   2:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Paul32 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Imperforated 1R Queen Isabella II from Spain (1855). It's a close cut on the right side, does that matter?




They have the correct watermark when I shine light on them:


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Posted 02/10/2016   2:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It wouldn`t bother me too much, but it`s less than ideal.

Have you checked to see which watermark these stamps have?

http://www.stamp-collecting-world.c...ps_1855.html
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Posted 02/10/2016   2:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
if no watermark it's a 1856 and from what I can see from the colour of the paper it's a 1856 Scott #46a ( $ 20 value ) the one at far right ( cancelled ) a Scott 38 ( $ 10 value ) but you have to check watermark, hard to be sure on photo post on forum, 3 different paper was used.
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Posted 02/10/2016   2:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
They have the correct watermark when I shine light on them:


but it doesn't look like blue paper.
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Posted 02/10/2016   2:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Paul32 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes it has the wmk. 104, sorry was still busy editing my post. So in this condition it's still worth the full $1225?
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Posted 02/10/2016   2:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Paul32 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
But it can't be another one with this watermark right?

It is blue paper though but I agree it's not as blueish as it's neighbours!
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Posted 02/10/2016   2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No. By now you ought to know that condition is everything and that catalog value means nothing. That $1225.00 is only important if you try to buy one from a dealer, AND it has to be in perfect condition. That means four margins and preferably no hinge marks.

Peter
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Posted 02/10/2016   3:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Paul32 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It doesn't have to be postfresh for this value but the margin is what I'm interested about.
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Posted 02/10/2016   3:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From the link I provided:

Forgeries & Reprints

Most of the definitive stamps of Queen Isabella II are very expensive in mint condition. Even many of the used condition stamps are rare and expensive in their own right.

As with anything of great value, there have been people throughout history that seek to profit by deceiving unsuspecting collectors.

There are forgeries and unofficial reprints of almost all the early definitive postage stamps of Spain. One should be very careful, when buying any expensive classical postage stamps. It is a good idea to only purchase high-priced items that are clearly authenticated or certified.
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Posted 02/10/2016   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Paul32 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another example of a decent serie I found today but with the perforations touching the ink:

Monaco 1885 Prince Charles III



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Posted 02/10/2016   3:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Paul32 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There's some examples of forgeries if you google but they come without watermarks and clearly bad ink!
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Posted 02/10/2016   3:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Paul32 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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preferably no hinge marks.


Scott states that the gum is less important for pre-1900 stamps:


Quote:
Values for pre-1900 unused issues are for stamps with approximately
half or more of their original gum. Stamps with most or all of
their original gum may be expected to sell for more, and stamps with
less than half of their original gum may be expected to sell for somewhat
less than the values listed. On rarer stamps, it may be expected
that the original gum will be somewhat more disturbed than it will
be on more common issues
.


Then of course this Queen Isabella II 1R won't even rate as "fine" anymore when it comes to the margin grade but I have no idea how this inflicts it's catalogue value.
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Posted 02/10/2016   4:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Paul,
Lets say you uncover an expensive stamp, are you going to try to sell it based only upon the opinions that you get here? That would be a mistake. The opinions here are good for deciding if you want to go get a certification on a stamp. But listing a expensive stamp on ebay without a cert, especially fakes and forgeries exist, is begging for problems. ebay policies completely favor the buyer. You might sell the stamp, get paid and be enjoying your windfall when suddenly have to return their money.
Don
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Posted 02/10/2016   4:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If it's a new account ebay will freeze the money
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Posted 02/10/2016   4:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Paul32 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tell me about it! PayPal is the worst, you're completely helpless as a seller. I'm a recordcollector (haha and stamps now) myself so I know. I'll probably only accept a bank transfer if I decide to sell.

Unfortunately ebay is the only place where someone like me can get a fair price for a collection like this. Even an auction house just doesn't have the customers so it seems.
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Posted 02/10/2016   5:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pagoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Paul,

for the so called Spain 1r., try looking under Cuba & Puerto Rico. The 1st. stamp is the Spanish issue but the same design was used with a different currency for Cuba & Puerto Rico. They are of little value.

Pagoda
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