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FDC Of Canal Zone Scott 21

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Posted 04/26/2016   6:26 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
could this possibly be the first commercial use of this stamp? since the day before was the first day of issue. Thoughts?
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Posted 04/26/2016   6:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
3193zd, there must be a problem with my computer. Where do you see a yellow marking?

Peter
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Posted 04/26/2016   7:12 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
NO Peter your computer is fine. My eyes are goofy. the red or orange oval marking.

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Posted 04/26/2016   7:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I think the recipient added them.
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Posted 04/26/2016   7:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can you share the addresses? I can't make any of it out.

Also--revealing my ignorance--are we sure these are Chinese characters?
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Posted 04/26/2016   8:50 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well the name of the recipient I can't make out but it just has the town of Gorgona. The sender is from Colon. I read that there were a lot of Chinese truck farmers in the canal zone during this time period. The person I got this cover from said these were Chinese characters. he said: "Note the Chinese writing and chops". I don't know what chops are.
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Posted 04/26/2016   9:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The orange oval handstamp is a chop.
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Posted 04/26/2016   9:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And they do appear to be Chinese characters to me. Hopefully someone will see them who can translate them at some point.
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Posted 04/27/2016   10:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There was a Chinese community in Panama starting in the late 1800's and it continues to this day. The Chinese were renowned in the Canal Zone for their shops selling fresh fruits and vegetables. These came to be called Chinese Gardens and there was one in every township. While some closed out over the years there are at least three that I know of that are still in business. In Colon, there was a Chinese presence in the central market as well.
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Posted 04/27/2016   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blcjr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gorgona was flooded out during the creation of the Panama Canal:

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=...9130719.2.44

I haven't found a map showing Gorgona at the time, but it was only a few miles from Cristobal. So it appears the letter was received the same morning it was posted from Cristobal, though I cannot make out the time it was postmarked in Cristobal.

Back to the question about commercial usage, I think all usage at the time, even on the first day of issue, would have been commercial. First day covers as philatelic creations come a bit later. US stamps of that era with postmarks on the first day of issue are quite scarce, and valuable. There would be no premium for "first commercial use" for a cover issued three days after issue, ordinarily. The 2014 Scott US Specialized values this stamp on cover at $55.00. And that takes into account that only 50k were issued, and it was replaced by Scott #23 on November 25. The latter has a Scott CV on cover of just $3.25.

It is a great cover, and if I collected Canal Zone (I've a few of the airmail stamps, but have never gotten into it further) I would consider it a great find. But figure the value at some fraction -- my guess would be 40 to 50 percent -- of Scott's $55.00.

A Canal Zone specialist might say otherwise, though.

This is my third edit now, but something else occurs to me. The Chinese characters and the stamp were probably placed there by the sender, not the receiver. Note the placement of the stamp. That would be an odd place to to place the stamp, unless the Chinese characters were applied first, forcing the stamp to be placed to the left of where it would ordinarily go. If it were my cover, I would certainly try to find someone who can read the Chinese characters. A wild guess is that they are a benediction or proverb or some well wishing of some kind. The red stamp probably is a mark of the individual who wrote the Chinese script. I lived in Taiwan in the early 1960's and remember such rubber stamps were quite common.

Basil

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Edited by blcjr - 04/27/2016 4:35 pm
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