Ben Franklin "Candle Flame Stamp" 219v

I see this stamp on ebay for sale and was wondering if anyone knows what the catalog price is on 219v? I have not seen any price guide for it. Where can we find more info on this and other rarities?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-219v-189...AOSwFnFV91Js

Hello,

I searched 2 vario pages(of seconds) from my collection of 219s and was able to identify 3 stamps which appear to have this variety. Although none of them are particularly pleasing stamps they do seem to show the variety to some degree. The stamp on the far right is a regular stamp (showing no variety) to allow for comparison.

Not sure this sheds any specific light on the current ebay offering but if someone wants to offer me $25K for the lot of them I would take it.

Hope this helps



Hobsun

Wow. These people ought to be ashamed - asking 25.000 and offering free economy shipping! How generous can you get!

Peter

By the way, I googled this stamp ( Scott 219v ) and found two items. One sold for $7.50 and one is going for about $100.00. Makes one wonder about the $25000.00.

Peter

Thank you all for your info.

See last years discussion: https://goscf.com/t/45815
Personally, I think the seller deserves 25K just for sharing his fine research.

Plate wipes are each unique, and values will fluctuate accordingly. The more dramatic appearance with escalate pricing dramatically. Promotion of one's wares is everything. A 10 year world tour certainly helped the notoriety and value of the British Guiana 1c magenta which is, at first glance, a junk stamp.

This variety is not rare, not valuable, and is indeed readily available.

This topic has come up several times on this list, and so has this offer by this seller as of last October/November:
https://goscf.com/t/46348&SearchTerms=candle,flame

Since I was curious at the time about pricing, I went on a hunt for examples on ebay. From October 28 to November 1 (2015) I purchased:
2 used singles, ($1 & $15)
3 og mint singles, (hinged and nh) ($3.50; $15; $30)
a mint block of four. ($25)
The block was illustrated in the thread linked above. I paid more for the first mint single than I did for the block. I bought enough examples to illustrate the range of appearance types.

Now I will admit that finding a mint block was unusual. But finding mint and used singles is doable any time the mood strikes you. The sellers comments are hype.

Hello,

does this "candle flame" also exist for other stamps with similar design?

I have a green 1c here - that looks quite similar?

Hi all

The 219v with candle flame isn't valuable and can be easily found at stamp shows in dealer stocks.

The technical term for this variety is scooped ink!

If you are going to buy plate varieties (all varieties) on ebay, then you will pay far too much.

Again, dealer stocks is cheaper, and if you try, you can find unrecognized plate varieties much cheaper.

For myself, the chase and discovery of unrecognized plate varieties is a lot of fun and rewarding!

Try it some time.

Stampmaster

hello Stampmaster,

thank you for your answer. Well, perhaps I should have opened a new thread, because my point isn't at all this ebay selling or similar ones where it's about thousands of dollars or any high CV. My question just was whether this candle flame (which is quite known) is also accepted as a variety for this green 1c I showed above? If it is not known yet and my stamp shows a similar issue, this would be a great finding for me.

The ebay lot is worth 29,000 pengo, not US dollars.

Hi stamperix, sorry, scooped ink isn't considered a variety in accordance with Cloudy's book.

But I think it's highly collectable and a good choice for a reference collection. If I had your stamp I would value it and it would go into my reference collection.

I think you have a very nice example.

No one, not even me can tell you what to collect, if you are happy with it, then great.

Stampmaster

The Candle Flame "variety" is an anomaly that occurs on the 1 cent American Bank note stamp 219. When the Bureau of printing and Engraving began the printing of U.S. postage stamps, they added triangles in the upper corners of the stamps. Your stamp (279) is the fourth 1 cent design. Whatever cause the anomaly in the case of 219, could also occur again, as your stamp shows. However, it is not listed under;
246 ultramarine
247 blue
264 blue (watermarked 191)
or 279 green (watermarked 191)
Probably means my 1996 Scott U.S. Specialized is too old.

thank you again all.
I have the Specialized 2013, but didn't find any of those varieties, not for the 279, but not for the 246 or 264 either. In my Scott there are not varieties given at all at the stamp directly. Do I look at the wrong place?

No, you looked at the correct Scott #s, it is not a catalogue listed variety.

Hello Phil and thanks. So it's not listed at 219 either, right?
That's what I always asked myself - where are those varieties listet, which have a "v" after the Scott id?