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Anyone Can Confirm This Is Laid Paper?

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Posted 06/13/2016   9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add darth to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone confirm?






Jimi
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Posted 06/13/2016   10:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like it.
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Posted 06/13/2016   10:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add darth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks!
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Edited by darth - 06/13/2016 10:13 pm
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Posted 06/13/2016   10:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add darth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
''laid paper was made by attaching horizontal wires perpendicular to the vertical mesh of the paper making machine''

I think I have a winner there!
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Posted 06/13/2016   10:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Congratulations on finding a Canada Scott/Unitrade # 33
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Posted 06/13/2016   11:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It appears to be laid paper. Go to The Vincent Graves Greene Philatelic Research Foundation's web page and see what you can check to find out if it is genuine.

http://www.greenefoundation.ca/Repo...y152013).pdf

There are some easy tests you can make on your stamp to verify it is a laid paper.

Mike
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Posted 06/13/2016   11:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add darth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Mike, as soon I receive the stamp I will do the Watermark Fluid test and will put it over my blacklight.

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Edited by darth - 06/13/2016 11:29 pm
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Posted 06/14/2016   04:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Promising
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Posted 06/14/2016   05:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Addition of Laid Lines in Paper Production
Laid lines were added in the late 19thC. paper production process by attaching wires across the wire mesh, thus at right angles or perpendicular to the flow of the wire mesh carrying the pulp in the paper making machine. This important feature has been confirmed by Gratton, Archer and research material available on the internet. The result is that by definition large queen stamps which show horizontal laid lines will measure as vertically meshed stamps because the laid lines were applied perpendicular to the flow of the mesh in paper production.



Why would they have done such thing on the long-sieve if it would have been easier the prepare a dandy-roll with the same type of lines but not in that great number!?!?!?!

This type of lines occur in stanmps of several other countries as well [Poland] where it was a later treatment of the already finished paper or in Russia where it was probably part of the watermark.

"Laid paper" as part of the papermaking process in sensu stricto is just an "urban legend".... or rather "philatelic legend".

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Posted 06/14/2016   07:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One of the many things that the VG Greene Foundation looked at in proving the third copy of #32 genuine was the way laid paper was produced. Galeoptix is correct as the Foundation was told by a paper manufacturer that dandy-rolls were used (which had wires that were attached vertical to the mesh of the belt) to impress laid lines into the paper pulp as it was being pressed on wire mesh to squeeze moisture out of the pulp.
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Posted 06/14/2016   07:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wasn't the dandy roll also used to impress watermarks too?
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Posted 06/14/2016   07:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes it was used to impress watermarks, and one could consider laid paper as a watermark. If the dandy-roll was completely smooth one would just have wove paper with no design impressed into the paper.
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Posted 06/14/2016   07:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I adjusted your stamp to get a little better look..Looks good to me.

Robert


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Well this is a very great new if we take in consideration the price paid for it!

And Wert, what did you use to get the Alpha color chanel out of it? Or it is just a Brightness/contrast ajustement?

Jimi
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Jimi..I just used a free program call shotwell veiwer...
http://shotwell.en.softonic.com/

Above ink is for you windows users..

Rober
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