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Posted 07/20/2016   08:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Mareklesz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Please help in identifying stamps , the year of issue and issuer or country or anything about it.
I have no idea what is this.
I am informed that this is the postage stamp "1945 Soviet zone of occupation in Germany - Local Post in Harthau no. XVII," but I'm not convinced.



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Posted 07/20/2016   08:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kilowarecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
it looks like a local overprint from 1945 but the cancel says 35... 1935!
So it could be a forgery, I am not shure.
( it is not a Hitler stamp).
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Edited by kilowarecollector - 07/20/2016 08:59 am
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Posted 07/20/2016   09:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
the stamp looks like a 1933 Paul von Hindenburg stamp, but with all that cancellation over it it's hard to tell anything

Peter
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Posted 07/20/2016   09:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All the black stuff is cancellation, not overprint, so it is the 'normal' German regular issue.
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Posted 07/20/2016   10:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 1935 Karlsruhe CDS's are from the p.o. handling postal money orders. If the black smudge is a Soviet Zone overprint forgery, then it is poorly conceived.
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Posted 07/20/2016   11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As Kilowarecollector said, the date is wrong. Besides, Baden was in the French Zone, not the Soviet Zone.
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Posted 07/20/2016   8:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add langtounlad to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a Hindenburg but as there were two issues of the 40pf in this colour it is not possible to tell if it is 1933 or 1934 without knowing the watermark.

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Frank
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Posted 07/21/2016   01:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Seriously guy .its Karlsruhe postmark . It was in us territory and us have a base there from the end of the war to 1995


The black smudge at the back for sure look like the oval 4 bars Russian zone was using over Hitler face . A Russian zone stamp used in American zone ??????

It's so funny
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Posted 07/21/2016   4:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add francoislafrance to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp is postmarked 5.9.35 which is 5 September 1935. It is probably Michel Cat. # 524, issued in Feb. 1934. The other 40 pf purple stamp, Michel # 472 was issued Oct. 1st, 1932. Karlsruhe is in the State (Land) of Baden, today Baden-Württemberg, which was under both French and USA occupation following the war. As for the stamp being defaced, it looks like a sad joke. The Hitler stamps were defaced. The Hindenburg stamps, not so sure.
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Posted 07/21/2016   7:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add langtounlad to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt that it could be Mi472 which was blueviolet colour. The earlier stamp I mentioned was Mi491 -dark lilac purple issued Aug 1933.

By the way, the black smudge which appears to be causing some excitement does not look similar to the Soviet cancels I have seen. The Soviet four bar cancel(Dresden) was not a circle - it was the shape of a running track round a soccer pitch - oblong. Nor does it appear to be a cork cancel which did not usually have bars.

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Frank
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Posted 07/21/2016   7:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
this is the russian overprint

I was talking about the oval part we see in the middle , that look like the 4 bar , not all the thing But for sure it's not a russian overprint, it ;look's like it but it's not , this is again and again a worthless stamp






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Edited by area66 - 07/21/2016 7:46 pm
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Posted 08/10/2016   07:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mareklesz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much
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