Edifil Burdeos Vs Azul

So what is the difference betwen both , the bonding ?

Hi area66

What is the actual question? If it has to do with color then:

burdeos - as an adjective maroon or dark red, otherwise Bordeaux
azul - blue

If this isn't the answer then please make the question more specific and detailed.

Jerry B

I want to know the difference betwen both catalogue, if one is more specialised than other or it's just like I guess the bonding and the years of coverage


From what I can see on photo the Burdeos is spiral and the azul bond






And I know already they are not the same color

I believe the word "bonding" has nothing to do with books. I guess the OP is asking how the books are bound?

Peter

As far as I understand the difference beteween "burdeos" (dark red)and azul (blue) prints, it's just a question of the time lapse of main-land Spanish stamps covered by each volume.

On the "burdeos" set you have:

vol I: 1850/1931
vol II: 1931/1949
vol III: 1950/1990
Vol IV: 1991/2010
Vols V to IX: dependencies

On the (new) "azul" set:

Vol I: 1850/1900
Vol II: 1901/1939 (Alfonso XIII's monarchy and 2nd republic issues)
vol III: 1936/1975 (Franco's regime)
vol IV: 1975/2000 (Juan Carlos I's monarchy)
No more volumes announced by now.

I guess that the specialization level is the same in both prints. So it's just a question of interest/preferences and budget.

Any way it's typical of Spanish people not to have an English version of their webb page. On their imaginary, everyone has the duty of understanding Spanish...

Edifil's are the most specialized of the Spanish catalogues (in IIRC 11 volumes), and as such the "catalogue of record" for Spain and its area of influence (Cuba/Puerto Rico/Philippines in the 19th C, Spanish Morocco and the African colonies in the 20th). Edifil also produces a highly regarded specialized catalogue for Cuba (in 3 parts, though part I covers up to the end of the Batista era in 1958, the other 2 cover the Castro era). The catalogues are not, however, inexpensive. The latest edition of each catalogue at the publisher costs over 80 Euros EACH, though I do know of a Spanish dealer who sells them for IIRC 65 Euros each. Add on shipping costs, which overseas are very high, and the cost can be prohibitive. Just for the 7 volumes I would want for my library at minimum would cost approx 500 Euros (!). Even used older copies less than a couple editions old are not cheap.

Actually Kirks my question is quite clear …what is the difference between both catalogues,If someone has really worked with the 2 books he will know. what is insulting is someone who think I don't know the color difference. I do have only Google replies no real experience replies,as many time. I pass 2 hours on Google to find something and nothing, I do have a the index of one but not the other one, that will help. . I know they are 80 E I know they don't cover the same period, it's on the Edifil page , but if 2 book are the same price and one cover twice as much in period, it's because something must be different.( Bounding, covering or they just charge same for less )

Edifil have nothing on their websibe, not even a small description in Spanish or English

Cursus, what is typical to this industry is the fact that manufacturer don't provide info, Scott, GB, Lighthouse, no info, they presume the customers will know their products.



I don't want the cheapest solution I want the most specialised one. If I want cheap I will get a Scott 2013 6 volumes DVD for $ 10 on ebay

From the division of the Spain volumes in the two series, it looks like there was an editorial decision to split Spain earlier (in middle of Alfonso X reign, but just after the defeat of 1898, which in terms of Spanish history does mark a major breaking point) and to compensate for this new split earlier on, it was decided to drop the post-2000 issues (prob not so much collector demand. I will say that the new breakdown makes more sense from a periodization standpoint

Volume I is 19th Century to the defeat of 1898 and its impact
Volume II is post-1898 defeat Alfonso XIII, Spanish Republic and Civil War issues
Volume III is the Franco era
Volume IV is the first quarter-century of Juan Carlos

Making the Franco era its own separate volume was a good idea I think. In fact the whole azul series makes more sense in terms of tying the philately to Spanish historical eras than the previous edition with its spliting of the Franco era and merging the entire old monarchy to Civil War in one huge tome. My guess is the size of each volume is somewhat smaller, but this did not affect prices due to increases in cost to produce the catalogues.

Well I found it. It's so simple

Burdeos is the 2009-2013 Edition
Azul the 2014 - Edition

So I ordered the 2 first Azul volumes, that's all I need for Spain, no interest past 1939

The Azul need 2 volumes to cover 1850 - 1939 because they add more information , the Azul volume 1 have 2 pages more than the Burgeos vol 1, so it give an idea how much they add info.




The 2002 Edition was covering 1850-1949





the post-2000 is not yet publish, like Michel, Edifil don't publish all the volume the same year.






the war as nothing to do with the cut betwen the book Volume 1 go up to 1900 and vol 2 start in 1901 , if you look at the chart, part of Alfonso XIII is included in Vol 1