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Austrian Stamp Confusion!!

 
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Posted 09/19/2016   11:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add LeeFranks to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have a 5 Heller green stamp type 27 (SG Stamps of the world catalogue). As far as I can make out reading the catalogue, I can only find 1 listing of it. 1906 SG 183 but this is listed as type 28 not 27.

It is not the 1899 version.

Am I reading the catalogue wrong or is the catalogue wrong?

The image I have pulled from the internet but is the same as the one I have.

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Posted 09/20/2016   12:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I will suggest you post a scan of your stamps or else it's speculation

the image you provide is a 1906, only the 1906 is that colour



1899 is blue green with black numeral, 1904 ans 1905 are also blue green
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Edited by area66 - 09/20/2016 12:55 am
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Posted 09/20/2016   04:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

1904
Scott #89A Blue Green with Varnish Bars



1905
Scott #89B Blue Green without varnish bars (missing)

1906
Scott #90 5h Yellow Green

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Posted 09/20/2016   2:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just look at the SG, what a mess they make. I think don't have the best catalogue for that period of Austria, a Scott Classic is not that bad for this period of Austria. The SG world is a simplified, so they omit many major varieties. And in this case they use the wrong color, 2004 and 1899 are blue green.

The stamp you illustrate can be by design(*) a 1904, 1905, 1905 but never a 1899 , as I show in the image I include , the 1899 have a colored background at the back of numeral. What make the stamps you show 2006 is the colour . and also the type is 33 not 27

(8) by design I omit the perforations, colour and varnish bars, as they are added in production


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Edited by area66 - 09/20/2016 4:31 pm
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Posted 09/20/2016   6:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LeeFranks to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello, the attached image is the actual stamp in my possession. As far as I can ascertain, I can only find one listing for yellow-green 5H value which is listed in 1906, but the catalogue lists this as SG183 type 28. Clearly, my stamp is not type 28, unless the catalogue is wrong.



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Posted 09/20/2016   6:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can you scan this part of the catalogue ?

you are using a simplified catalogue, I know it's the same mistake in mine, my guess is the SB catalogue part 2 ( Hungary, Austria ) will have 2 mores type (31,32) and that will be one of those. Unfortunately, I was supposed to have this catalogue, I purchase one from ebay, the seller never ship it.

Anyway, it don't change thing, it's a very common stamps, fairly easy to ID if you use a Scott, Michel, or the Austria Netto specialised catalogue, it's just happen don't have the good catalogue.
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Posted 09/20/2016   7:09 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lee

I'm looking at a 2010 SG SOTW. As you know, this is a very simplified digest of the more detailed SG country catalogues. Your stamp is there - it's listed as Type 33, 5 heller green, as area says. Type 27 has the area (pun intended) behind the numerals shaded. Type 28 is the different design used for the 10-30 heller values.

In a more detailed SG catalogue, the stamp will be identified as yellow-green, and several different perforations will be mentioned (in my 60s Europe catalogue, these are 13x12 1/2, 13x13 1/2, 9, 10 1/2 and compound of 12 1/2 and 9).

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Posted 09/20/2016   8:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm looking on 3 different monitors and I have hard time to decide if it's a yellow green or blue-green on my computer it's look green on my laptop blue-green
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Posted 09/21/2016   12:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add YeaPolska to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the relevant page from an older edition of the SG Austria/Hungary catalogue. As GeoffHa has posted, your stamp is SG 183, type 33

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Posted 09/21/2016   07:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
here the 1905 and 1906/07 set



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Hi all, first post here. Found this nice forum looking for one of the stamps in my collection.
Can you please help me identify them and maybe help me to undestand the value.

Thank you very much.

5 Kreuzer Red
5 Heller Green

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Posted 12/21/2020   12:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome, Zesty.
Your scans aren't quite clear, but the 5 Kreuzer red looks like Michel 53 (Scott 54), issued 1890.

The 5 Heller bluish-green would be Mi 72 (Scott 73), 1899, if it has no varnish bars. If with varnish bars it would be Mi 87 (Scott 73a), issued 1901.

If by value you mean money: these are both fairly common stamps with only modest catalog prices, wch vary somewhat depending on perforation.
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Thank you very much EMaxim for the quick and helpful reply.
Will try to get some basics to be able to identify the stamps on my own one day.

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Posted 12/22/2020   09:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Most European collectors rely on the Michel catalogues. For France and French territories there is Yvert et Tellier.
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