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Posted 10/18/2016   12:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Kelump to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Thank you for any help getting me started.
First question: Why does the seal on the back cover part of the postmark?



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Posted 10/18/2016   12:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjpalermo1964 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hypothesis: Posted in the Ottoman Empire during wartime; backstamped in Istanbul; given to a censor; opened for censoring; resealed by the censor with the red seal; sent onward to New York and Philadelphia; then opened by the recipient who broke the red seal.
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Posted 10/18/2016   12:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
cj, this seems like a very plausible theory. I've got a Russian outgoing cover where the red wax seal of the censor covers the postmark. I'm miles away from my collection so I'm afraid I can't post an image.

Kelump, this is a nice cover! Thx for sharing.
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Posted 10/18/2016   12:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sdtom to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice story
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Posted 10/18/2016   1:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kelump to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone!
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Posted 10/18/2016   7:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What a beautiful Cover! envious.

I would very much like to see the seal as a censor item, proven.

It may be, a device used ubiquitously around the world, as a company seal ?
The fancy edge to the seal, prompts my question.

YWCA = Young Women's Christian Association


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Posted 10/18/2016   7:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 10/18/2016   9:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kelump to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The color of the seal matches the embossed postage on the front of the cover. Perhaps the seal was purchased with the envelope. Also, the flap of the envelope doesn't appear to have been used. It's tucked inside and the letter appears to have been sealed without using the flap. Maybe the postmark isn't under the seal but the ink didn't adhere to the seal.
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Posted 10/18/2016   10:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

That was my only reservation,
If the Pmk is under the seal, then a strong possibility a censor seal.

We need an member fluent in the language, to assist us.
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Posted 10/18/2016   10:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 10/18/2016   10:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There's a few other examples online and the ones I've seen have the postmark under the censor seal as well. There's a couple of examples in the Turkish Imperial collection - https://59b4eb31fe0806b35bcb5ee7cdf...imperial.pdf
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Posted 10/19/2016   01:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice link : Thank you.

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Posted 10/19/2016   8:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kelump to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again, everyone! I've been trying to figure out the location of the postmark on the stamps...No luck. Does anyone see anything that helps?
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Posted 10/19/2016   8:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Thanks again, everyone! I've been trying to figure out the location of the postmark on the stamps...No luck. Does anyone see anything that helps?


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Posted 10/19/2016   8:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kelump to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So I'll stop googling RIKRTIM now! Thank you!
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Posted 10/19/2016   9:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
We can thank Blaamand, for the searchable database, offered a few days ago.

Richtim PO would be a specialised native knowledge locale,
I couldn't find it, Galata is densely populated.

I was assuming it would have been near to the YWCA office at that time.


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