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1c 1851 Plate 3 Stamps

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Posted 01/27/2017   9:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add txstamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Plate 3 of the 1c 1851 US stamp, Scott #7, is a very interesting plate. It had a lot of fine cracks in it, particularly in the left pane, and also at the upper right of the right pane.

Early printings from Spring-Summer of 1856 had a gradually diminishing ink film, and were in a grayish blue shade. By Sep-Oct 1856 this ink film disappeared, and you see a true gray shade, with no ink film. Nov-Dec 1856 gave us the well know dark prussian blue shade. 1857 printings are quite mundane by comparison, as they become hard to distinguish from other plates, other than by plating.

Plate 3 material is fairly scarce - especially if one is trying to find each position. I have always had a strong sense that about 15 copies remain per position. Estimates such as this tend to be low usually, however I've rounded up to 15 - so I've included some padding. Anyway, you get the message - they aren't common.

There are a number of 1c collectors on this forum, so I propose that we use this thread to post copies of stamps from plate 3. I have some more plate 3 stamps that I can post, over time, and I'll do it here.

I'll start off ...
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Posted 01/27/2017   9:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is 70-80-90L3 with the centerline.
There are only two vertical centerline multiples from plate 3, known to me. This is one. This is the dark prussian blue shade.





This item is ex-Cipolla, Klein
(I enjoy researching provenance of items)
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Posted 01/28/2017   10:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Position 81R3 on cover to Nova Scotia
Is the provenance perhaps ex-txstamp?

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Posted 01/28/2017   11:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
plate 3 stamps are hard to find, probably undervalued in Scott. I have no definite in my collection (but would love to have one!). I always wish some type II that I can't plate ends up plate 3. Perhaps I'm missing an obvious mark here. Here is one:





probably plate 2. B relief. Only help I see on stamp is guide dot lower right.
I see no cracks or plate marks. No DT. Great cancel- octagon with numeral! I bought stamp for cancel. Now the bad news.

I got a new Epson printer/scanner- scans great-- but now I'm ANGRY. THIS STAMP HAS A PF CERT FROM 2012. Sound!!. After I scan at 1600 dpi looks like ?repair upper right. Uggggg.
Let me know what you think?
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Posted 01/28/2017   11:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've always held hope that these are from plate 3, probably never know.



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Posted 01/28/2017   11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't mean to hijack your thread, txstamp. Maybe I should have started new one with this stamp. Was hoping it was a plate 3 when I scanned it! Of course, then I noticed upper right corner weirdness,
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Posted 01/28/2017   12:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stallzer,

with those marks on right sides, relief A?, shouldn't we be able to plate your strip of 3 ???

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Posted 01/28/2017   12:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rgstamp- you should scan the reverse as well at 1600dpi and post it. It might just be something natural in the paper.
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Posted 01/28/2017   1:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rev, arrow points to area of concern

I looked at it with lighted 30x mag glass. I may be overly concerned. really cannot see anything unless scan at high res. I'm not sure




stallzer,

my best guess 12R2, 13R2, 14R2. but something doesn't seem right with that. Maybe need better scan of each stamp? I'm sure you studied it and came to conclusion that didn't fit known plating diagrams so could be plate 3?
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Posted 01/28/2017   1:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
(Drool, txstamp). Here's a pair that I have as 6-7R3.

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Posted 01/28/2017   1:33 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rg,
I would float it, see if that area absorbs at a different rate than the rest of the stamp.
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Posted 01/28/2017   1:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
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Agree, the vivid color of the strip at over 150 years old is lovely.
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Posted 01/28/2017   2:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stallzer,

based on spacing/alignment from Neinken diagram, your strip of 3 ....first stamp high, then goes low, then goes back up significantly. Thus has to be either:

position 2,3,4 left pane of plate 3. (I find no match) or

position 2,3,4 of right pane of plate 2 (12-14R works) or

position 1,2,3 of left pane plate 2 (can't match this either) or

postion 5,6,7 of left pane plate 2 (I have to go back and look)

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Posted 01/28/2017   2:15 pm  Show Profile Check rlmstamps2012's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I bought this horizontal strip of three last year from Winston.
It was identified as Scott # 7 positions 7,8 and 9R2.

Would anyone know what plate they are from?


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Posted 01/28/2017   2:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rlm, the designation 9R2 by definition specifies Plate 2.
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Posted 01/28/2017   2:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rlm,

you answered your own question... R2... right pane of plate 2. Nice strip!

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