1c 1851 Plate 3 Stamps

If a Ty II stamp shows a very fine crack (not a scratch) then there is a pretty good chance that its plate 3. Of course only a subset of plate 3 stamps exhibit this, but there are a lot of very fine cracks in different areas of the plate.

I alluded in the introduction paragraph, to various color shades and appearances, which can clue you in to a stamp possibly being plate 3. Ink film and mottling are pretty good clues, as you don't see that much on plate 2. Many of the colors are shared between plate 2 and 3, so that's not a 100% method.

In the end, you pretty much have to plate it to be sure, minus the cracks, and ink film/mottling which are largely accurate measures.

Scored my first Plate 3 stamp, 78R3. Actually found this one in the APS Stamp Store, with a crease over on the lower right, but with cert for $55. I checked the plating vs. Neinken and it's spot on.

The mottling looks almost like a Plate 7 Type V...and just to have one in hand, should be very helpful in helping to understand what to look for in future searches.

Thanks again to all for this topic...wonderful stuff!
Now, if we could just get one going for Plate 5????
Ray

And for plate 4. Tex?

njs - here you go: https://goscf.com/t/59061#59061

Ray - congratulations on your plate 3 stamp.

It certainly has plate 3 characteristics, with the ink film and overall appearance being correct. The cancel suggests an August usage -- and with this ink film and overall appearance, that would line up well with an August 1856 usage.

Thanks TX....

Was anyone here lucky enough to have won the 90R3 that was sold today on ebay? My bid did not take it.

Item #?

It was lot 401506592356 . I am posting from phone so I can't post link.






ps. Here is the link:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CKStamps-U...047675.l2557

Not I - neat item.

Back when I was hoarding plate 3, I had all of the known double transfers, except 68R.

That whole 10R column of plate 3 is pretty interesting, and contains 5 double transfers, including 90R. The first setting of the transfer roll 10-20-30R was problematic, as was the last - 90R and also 100R.

Obviously I didn't buy it but know the buyer.

I think that I have found one of the double transfers from plate 3. This stamp appears to match 68R3. The color is a deep blue color that matches the last plate 1 strip of 3 that I recently acquired. I was sure it was a plate 1 late but Dudley gave me a push to check plate 3. I will post a picture of the stamp and 2 images against the only 68R3 that I found on Siegel. I would appreciate any input on this one.

jaxom - Good going!

I compared your stamp pretty closely to Jerry Wagshal's 68R3 (the one at Siegel), and yours and his stamp are from the same plate position. That seems pretty clear. The only question, is - is that 68R3?

The markings on Jerry's stamp are clearer, and they don't exactly match the Neinken mat, but enough do, very well, to where I suspect that he had it plated properly. I don't recall a plate 2 double transfer off-hand that looks like this.

I will qualify my notes here - and say that I have only compared your stamp to his, and to the Neinken drawing. I haven't had time to exhaustively look for a better match. That said, I suspect you won't find one, and that you have it as you suspect.

Your stamp is clearly the dark prussian blue shade from Nov-Dec 1856. That is seen on Plate 2 and 3 from those time periods for sure.

Nice going - that is the only documented double transfer from plate 3 that I was never able to find a copy of.

After some more research, I can confirm that your stamp and Jerry's are definitely 68R3. Congrats.

It makes me happy to see such a tough to find double transfer posted in this thread. That's the kind of thing I was hoping to have happen in here.

Very interesting Jaxom. The doubling, though somewhat faint in your copy is spot on with Neinkens drawings. Good eye!