1c 1851 Plate 3 Stamps

dudley - thank you. I sure had a lot of fun putting it together.

jmt - neat stamp. We'll have to work on plating that one. I don't have time now, but I'm happy that you posted it. Its the NOV-DEC 1856 prussian blue shade, pretty clearly.

Its an A-relief - one minor point: plate 2 printings from this period are also known in prussian blue. Its was the short late 1856 time period that produced that color on both plate 2 and 3. So its not a given that your stamp is plate 3, but it definitely has a good shot.

edit: I note that the B relief above it has a pretty 'square' looking guide dot. That is often indicative of plate 3.

lukusw - You ask a good question. If I view that I'm talking about someone who is mostly a private collector, and not really out there in the more public eye, then out of respect for his privacy, I think its appropriate to not mention someone's name.

If this guy was a full-time on-site paid employee of the PF, for example (he's not), I would have no issue mentioning his name. Professional philatelists, dealers, auctioneers already have their names 'out-there' so to speak, and are fair game to talk about. Similarly, people who write books, articles and so on, are fair game to discuss, especially in the context of what they wrote. Major collectors and exhibitors, like Bill Gross, whom we all know of also usually fall in that category.

I have mentioned a few private collector names on this board over time, however, they were friends who are deceased -- or they fell in one of the above categories.

HI not sure if these fit into this post but anyone can tell me what stamps I got?

looks like A relief pair from plate 1E. Stamp on right looks like incomplete top outer line suggesting it could be type IIIa. Hard to tell due to top and bottom cut into. Left stamp looks to have a weak outer line, type II. I don't see a recut on either stamp.

36R1E, 37R1E jumps out at me as a candidate

I am thinking 57-58R1E. Need a better image of the stamp on right, especially at top... without the glare.

Here is the top right stamp.

Here is the top of the left stamp.

Do these pictures help? Thanks!

I can see why Sinclair thought 57R1e and 58R1e is good candidate based on where outer curve upper line ends. However It seems to be missing a plate mark above right top ornament w and X on left stamp that 57R1e should have per Neinken diagram.

Regardless I would be relatively confident it is a type II/IIIa pair A relief from plate 1E and 57/58 R1E could be it, or maybe 36/37R1e

I may wrong about the exact plating but considering the horizontal and vertical alignment of the two positions, I think the stamps come from the 7th and 8th column of the right pane. The alignment for the 6th and 7th column is slightly further apart and not quite so misaligned vertically.

I agree that the pair appears to be a combo of Scott #7-8A and that probably would not change with more-exact plating.

Thanks Guys! I bought this pair 24 years ago for $45. The dealer wasn't sure what they were. I am glad to hear it was a good investment!

jmt - for the A relief possible plate 3 stamp that you posted awhile back, I got an email from a friend, whom sinclair and I have referred to numerous times. He is an expert plater of the 1c stamp, but not yet a member of this board.

He took a look at your stamp and I will quote:

"I was also playing around with that posted Plate 3 "A" relief single showing the guide dot from the stamp above. It might be 37L3 (the Neinken 37L3 mat is incorrect), the left edge seems to match the right edge of a 36L3 (again, the Neinken 36L3 mat is incorrect). I have no other info for 37L3."

I'll call him "Deep Cert" for laughs. In the same email from my last post, the same 1c expert also commented to me on the Pl 1E pair above.

Deep Cert is inclined to agree with sinclair that this pair is probably 57-58R1E, however, he points out that there is a problem in Neinken with the plating mat for 57R1E. He sent me a very good write-up complete with images, which I want to post, however, I don't want to do it in this thread. This is a plate 3 thread, so I'll start, I guess a plate 1E thread and post there.