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Posted 03/29/2017   3:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stamperix to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,

these stamps I found in my old album. I think I know at least the countries... so Egypt, Russia, China, Japan and Hyderabad. Concerning the two overprints, I didn't find these in my catalogue, the "3 Cts." and the big one for hyderabad.

I would be happy to get any information like year or Scott number!



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Posted 03/29/2017   4:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Envious:
Beautiful "Hotel" Postmark on the Egyptian mutilated stationery piece.

Hotel Grand Continental : Cairo
https://au.pinterest.com/pin/452541462526559733/

The Hyderabad looks like Sc# O32 Official 1911
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Edited by rod222 - 03/29/2017 4:21 pm
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Posted 03/29/2017   5:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you :). I actually didn't notice this interesting cancellation. Are there collectors for this?
About the Hyderabad: Yes, I already found similar ones, but then the overprint is always much, much smaller than on my stamp?
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Posted 03/29/2017   5:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I actually didn't notice this interesting cancellation. Are there collectors for this?
About the Hyderabad: Yes, I already found similar ones, but then the overprint is always much, much smaller than on my stamp?


No doubt, there are collectors out there for the Hotel Pmk
I am one, but I wouldn't see much value (dollars) in mutilated piece,
keep it for your collection, it is very nice indeed.

Tony or Joy may advise you on your Hyderabad,
my collection is still in the "too hard basket" or,....use Gibbons Catalogue

My part collection Gibbons numbers.

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Posted 03/29/2017   5:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thank you again. I think in your image it should be a SG 22 then, but there are many different versions :). Are there any 22 with more value and others with less?

what would also be interesting for me is the overprint of the chinese stamp, as I didn't find this one. (have to admit that I don't have an Asia catalogue)
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Posted 03/29/2017   7:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
China
possibly
Sc# B3 5c on 6c grey Junk $12 / $5 2009 ?

semi postal
charity portion to victims of the yellow river flood.

India
Guess :
These Hydrabad officials are numerous, minimal value only.
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Posted 03/30/2017   04:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you again very much for your help. Yes, it is B3, I saw this wrong as 3 Cents, it's 5 Cents. Now I only search for information to the two Russian stamps and the Japanese. As the Japanese is in quite bad condition, it's probably not worth let it stay in my album? But the Russian two stamps appear interesting to me.
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Posted 03/30/2017   04:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd keep the Japanese,
there is beauty in everything, you just have to look for it.

Sc#74 1883
5 sen
Ultramarine

Imperial Crest , Star and Kiri branches.

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lower Russian
Sc#214 1922
27 rubles
5th anniv of october revolution. CV 2009 $8/$1

Other stamp you may need a specialist (mutilated stationery)


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Posted 03/31/2017   12:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Those Hyderabad large handstamps are a real minefield: there are several genuine types and numerous forgeries about.

These are forgeries:



Basically, look on anything with the large handstamp (it reads SARKARI in Urdu) in any fancy position (reading up or down etc) or manuscript (like this)



as suspect. If the Urdu letter "r" (second from the left) is seriously dropped, the handstamp is probably a forgery. The whole matter is best tackled only after a stiff drink.

Even the small SARKARI overprints can be a tangled mess. The Authorities refused to issue a certificate for this pair of Hyderabad with the missing overprint (SG O40gb)



on the grounds that the samll overprints can't be plated.
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Posted 03/31/2017   02:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice post, Tony.

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Posted 03/31/2017   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
R2/3 is Haydarabad 1909 Sarkari ovpt. on 1908 ˝A Sarkar I Asafiyyah green official stamp (SG O22).

The larger Sarkari ovpt. is SG type O1a and the unoverprinted base stamp is 1908 ˝A SG 25 with perf. 12˝ and Sarkar I Asafiyyah watermark, printed in recess at the Haydarabad Mint from Wyon plate which was engraved by Allan G Wyon, London, England in 1904.

Vignette: The central circle shows the Tugra with the Farsi inscription Sarkar I Asafiyyah which means Government of Asaf, denoting the Govt. of Asaf Jah VI, the official title of Mahbub Ali Khan Siddiqi 1866–1911)), the ruler of Haydarabad (1869–1911).

The Tugra is encircled with 4 curvasive panels bearing the denomination in 4 languages viz., Marathi, Telugu, Urdu and English (clockwise from top left), thus making this stamp a quinlingual stamp.

The lower panel opposite to that of POSTAGE reads Nishan I Tappa i.e. Mark of Post.

The base stamp was issued for extensive use to pay the basic letter postage of ˝A for weight upto 11.66gm (1 tola), the rate in effect from 1880 to May 5,1930 which was also applicable to official mail from January 3,1909 when official stamps were reintroduced after being discontinued in 1887.

There were 2 plates of the Haydarabd SG type 6 stamps viz., 1905 Wyon plate and 1912 Bradbury plate which was reengraved by Bradbury, Wilkinson and Company Limited.

As SG type O1a Sarkari ovpt. occurs only on ˝A green Wyon plate, it was safely assumed that the stamp shown is from Wyon plate when the picture is too fuzzy to confirm.

Reference:
Haydarabad Philatelic History.
Muhammad Abd an Nayim Siddiqi.
Philatelic Congress of India, New Dilli 1980
Part III: Postage Stamps
Chapter 9(A): Postage Stamps
The 'Postage' Issues of 1905; pp.175-9
Chapter 9(B): Sarkari (Official) Stamps; p.210
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Posted 03/31/2017   4:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Identification of Haydarabad SG type 6 Wyon and Bradbury Plates



Wyon Plate (L)
Bradbury Plate (R)

1. The cordate designs in the middle, inside of both vertical frameline are elongated in Wyon plate whereas in Bradbury plate those are not and the inner curvasive lines inside the cordate designs are more curved and prominent in Bradbury plate than in Wyon.

2. The distance of the ends of the POSTAGE and Nishan I Tappa panels, measured from inner points, is 5mm in Wyon plate and 7mm in Bradbury plate.
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Posted 03/31/2017   5:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I always break out in a smile, when I read your posts Joy.
Mind boggling knowledge and explanation.
Well done you. Fabulous stuff.
It goes without saying, post saved.

PS: new entry for my Philatelic lexicon...cordate.

eg: The leaves of the Bodhi tree, are cordate.






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Edited by rod222 - 03/31/2017 6:03 pm
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Posted 03/31/2017   9:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is probably so obvious as to be ridiculous, but cordate to a botanist is "heart shaped."
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Posted 04/01/2017   12:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Collin,
I hold down the left button on my mouse, swipe the word and read Google.
Only takes seconds.
I was assuming all did this.
I'll elaborate next time.

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Posted 04/01/2017   01:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
By the way, I agree that Joy adds amazing information.
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