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Posted 05/16/2017   09:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys...Was going through my 3 cent small queens and came across the stamp in the middle...The monitor does not do the colour justice, in hand it appears to be a Orange/Brown colour..Perfs are 12.0 x 12.0..This would make it a Scott 41 with No guides dots LL or 9 or 12.

Could it be environmental damage..?

Robert

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Posted 05/16/2017   09:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Could it be environmental damage..?

If so, wouldn't the margins appear different, not as white as 3 & 3 are, 1 is more ivory. Is it slightly underinked?
The background shading lines appear clearer on the center stamp.
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Posted 05/16/2017   09:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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wouldn't the margins appear different, not as white as 3 & 3 are

Good point littleriverphil....So, maybe NOT environmental damage...Cant get my head around the Orange/Brown colour..very strange but interesting....any body think maybe I should send it off to my friends at BNAPS for their opinion, or do you think it is a waste of time..?

Robert
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Posted 05/16/2017   09:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could the two outer ones both be slightly over-inked? Especially the left one looks way to colorful.

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Posted 05/16/2017   10:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, the 1886-1888 printings are usually the brown-red color, so I think your stamp is #37. Those printings were just before the move to the Montreal Gazette building in late 1888. The date on yours appears to be Feb 1, 1888. I have some dated examples, I will see if I can dig them up.
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Posted 05/16/2017   10:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Has the perfs of a 37 BeeSee, but no noticeable guide dots anywhere.

Robert
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Posted 05/16/2017   11:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert, the late Montreal printings have the 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock dots, which are usually obscured by the design. Far more stamps have unseen dots than visible dots.
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Posted 05/16/2017   12:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Robert!
To my eye it does not look like an environmental issue. With environmental issue you often can see the hues changes across the surface of the stamp, they are 'uneven'. This stamp's hue looks very consistent across the entire face of the stamp.
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Posted 05/16/2017   12:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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To my eye it does not look like an environmental issue.


Thanks Don..I agree with you..Now I have to find out why it is 12/0 x 12.0..Orange/Brown...No guide dots.

The pic below shows left stamp and then middle stamp..two different colours.


Robert

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Posted 05/16/2017   1:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Now I have to find out why it is 12/0 x 12.0..Orange/Brown...No guide dots.


Robert, read my post above . It is a known printing, guide dots are usually not visible.
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Posted 05/16/2017   3:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When I look at mine, this looks like a 37a - Rose Red - 12 perf - 2nd Ottwa printing

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Posted 05/16/2017   4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Renden, 37a is a First Ottawa printing, in various shades of Rose. It was used in the early 1870's. Here is an example:


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Posted 05/16/2017   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BeeSee
I agree that the 2nd Ottawa printing was # 41 but I have to get the Bible on shades for the small queens so difficult without a great reference, a little like the Large Queens, for which I have bought the Duckworth Bible from Green Foundation-
CANADA'S POSTAGE STAMPS OF THE SMALL QUEEN ERA 1870-1897 (Hillson el)
at least, for me, you stir our neurons !
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Posted 05/16/2017   10:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert, here are four different shades I have:

From left to right:

#37 light brown-orange (Montreal mid 1880's)
#37 brown orange (Late Montreal mid to late 1880's)
#41a Carmine Rose (Last Montreal 1888-1889)
#41 vermilion (2nd Ottawa late 90's)



The colors look fairly accurate on my monitor.

Rendon, no one said the small queens were easy!
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Posted 05/17/2017   08:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now that you posted that pic BeeSee..It makes my stamp look Brown/Red

Robert
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Posted 05/17/2017   12:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robert, I have allowed you stamp to join the parade in order of date .


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