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Posted 05/18/2018   7:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great pages, Rod
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Posted 05/19/2018   11:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod, your stamp looks to be printed by offset lithography. A good 10x loupe is most helpful with these.

I look for 2 things:

1.) The numerals will always have a sharp outline on the offset stamps, whereas the photogravure stamps will have a more or less sawtooth edge. Sometimes the photogravure stamps will have a light halftone pattern within the numerals.

2.) The halftone pattern is more distinct on the cheek with the offset stamps; it can become a continuous tone on the photogravure stamps.

Below is numeral from a photogravure 4P stamp. My apologies for my "low end " scanner.


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Posted 05/19/2018   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Firstly, thank you Bob, for responding, I really need support before I can continue with Great Britain.
This is bizarre, I always thought I had printing down pat.

I have never seen dots in a Lithographic stamp before.

I am having trouble with your comment

Quote:
2.) The halftone pattern is more distinct on the cheek with the offset stamps; it can become a continuous tone on the photogravure stamps.


Are you able to expand?

The stamp I posted is definitely litho in the surround to Her Maj, but her bust has micro dots

I am completely lost here.

With the "sawtooth edge" around the numeral, often in Machins one can see the sawtooth or spotted edge around the edge of the frame, esp the bottom.

How can Lithography give a micro dotted result?


Quote:
A good 10x loupe is most helpful with these.

I do use one of these.




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Edited by rod222 - 05/19/2018 3:58 pm
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Posted 05/19/2018   5:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Mutilated Exhibition Sheet fragments 1940.
Perkins Bacon Prints.





ebay currently.



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Posted 05/19/2018   7:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod, I didn't give "the outside edges of the background" as a point of identification because it is confusing. Your 4 P stamp has a solid background with halftone dots extending into the margins. Some other of the litho stamps with solid backgrounds have halftone dots extending into the stamp margins and there are others which do not. I have tried to use logic to understand why, but it seems random. With all three printers...John Waddington, Questa, and Walsall, there are both types among the litho printings with solid backgrounds. I don't have all of these stamps in all formats, but the "dots extending beyond background" variety seem to be limited to sheet stamps. Obviously, someone with more Machin knowledge than I possess could shed a little more light on this.

The dots on the cheek are simply a part of a fine offset halftone screen. Even with this detail, the photogravure printing looks smoother , because the shallow etching can display more subtle changes in shading. Under 10x magnification the photogravure may look "muddy", but with the naked eye it appears smoother and sharper than offset lithography.

Hope this is helpful.
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Posted 05/20/2018   03:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, helpful Bob.
I'll keep meddling until I feel confident of ID.

I am trying to find out if one issue only exists in Litho, so I can scrutinise under the loupe.

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Posted 05/20/2018   03:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

STAMPEX 1974 Philatelic Souvenir Card.



ID From SCF member, author of.............

http://www.gbps.org.uk/information/...%202010).pdf


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Posted 05/20/2018   07:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ROD -Enjoy looking at your pages of Great Britain .
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Posted 05/20/2018   5:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your kind words FT.

2008
78p

Top and bottom perforations spell "SOS" [In Morse Code] (Rescue at sea)

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Posted 05/20/2018   7:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Query:

Steiner:
Any members come across a Steiner Page for ENGLAND
(Possibly slots in at "Regional machins" ?)

I am unable find any that suit.

Seems like Great Britain do not include a date on their stamps anymore.

Sc# 20 2009 England. Tudor Rose 90p

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Posted 05/21/2018   01:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Centenary of the Postage Stamp
1940
Linn's Weekly Stamp News.

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Posted 05/21/2018   03:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
2 Issues, appear almost impossible to lift off piece.

I soaked in water first (This may have something to do with it)
Gum Non soluble in water.
dried
Tried Bestine (Un-do) and White spirits....nothing.
Best I could do scraping off the gunk.

2008 Genie Alladin.



2009 Wise man.

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Posted 05/22/2018   01:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Slogan Cancel 1947
Wedding Bells
Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor to Philip Mountbatten.
Wedding day 20th November 1947

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Posted 05/22/2018   03:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Souvenir Sheet of the above wedding. (25th Anniv)
Staffa (Bogus)

Shown : Ampulla recepticle of the annointing Oil.
Missing : The annointing spoon, used at the Coronation of King John 1199.

Prior to her wedding, Elizabeth broke her Tiara, and it had to be rushed away and re-welded by the court Jeweller, on the day.

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Posted 05/22/2018   03:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sorsh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
all these steiner pages are REALLY stretching the "world classic stamp" area..
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