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Posted 06/29/2017   10:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add hy-brasil to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
More weirdness.

I don't know if there is an actual term for this. If so, correct me. Here is Netherlands Indies - Japanese occupation issue for Java, Scott #N10:

The Japanese inscription is (partly) crossed off in indelible pencil/copying pencil. I suspect but obviously can't confirm that this was used during a period after the surrender. The cancel is murky but is at least the boxed type used in the Indies.

Sure, this could have been done privately by a revolution-minded clerk or later by some collector's evil little brother. But I've seen other similar things from elsewhere that could have been used during an interim period during a revolution or regime change. For example:

- Laos #C89 Orchid with "Royaume de" neatly crossed off in ballpoint. Usage would jibe with Pathet Lao and N. Vietnamese control of parts of the country c.1972 and later. I have this packed away somewhere (yeah, yeah).

- Iran #667, etc. Ahmed Shah Qajar defins. He was actually out of power by the time this issue was released in 1924-25 and formally deposed in October 1925. I've seen but was not able to buy some used low values of this issue with his head covered with cut pieces of gummed brown paper tape, cancelled over stamp and tape.

Again, these were just single stamps suspected of provisional-type usage, but without provable usage. Covers would be more convincing, covers to foreign destinations better still.

You could maybe add in the rubberstamped issues for Ghana on Gold Coast stamps, Bangladesh on Pakistan issues, German overprints on Czechoslovakia, German Hitler heads with head blotted out, etc. but I've seen only favor-cancelled covers, lots of dubious mint stamps plus proven fakes.

So, do you have any similar suspected-to-be-postally-used items out there?
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Posted 06/30/2017   12:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On the night of May 28-9, 1903 King Alexander and Queen Draga of Serbia were assassinated by a group of army officers the royal palace in Belgrade. Within a month, a new set of 10 stamps which had been printed, but not issued, were overprinted with the Serbian coat of arms, obliterating King Alexander's portrait.

Eight values of the un-overprinted stamps are cataloged by Michel.


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Posted 06/30/2017   02:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not seen that stamp before.
Looks like a boxed in Japanese.
The only boxed impressions I have seen are
NED INDIES / VIA MARSEILLES
Which was the fastest route home to the Neth.
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Posted 06/30/2017   02:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



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Posted 06/30/2017   03:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
very interesting info, thank you
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Posted 06/30/2017   05:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Looks like a boxed in Japanese.
The only boxed impressions I have seen are
NED INDIES / VIA MARSEILLES
Which was the fastest route home to the Neth.


Rod, there are Japanese censor marks in a split rectangular box, but all I have seen (the few I've seen in auction catalogs and the like) are violet and filled with all Japanese characters. I've now also discounted the killers of the machine cancels I've seen from the 30's. This doesn't look like the boxed paquebot marking either. By the by, the occupiers did use old Dutch cancels for the most part, so the time period of use is still indeterminate.

So I submit this for everyone's perusal/headache:

"The best I can do" is a lame excuse, but it's the best I can do. And now I see T. T. at the bottom, TIMBRE TAXE i.e. "postage due" I'm thinking, where French would be used on international mail markings. Whose is it? Is it French? And is that an A, K, X or ? at the end of the top line? A lot of you guys are pretty good at deciphering stuff, feel free to give it a shot.

I've checked the old worldwide collection and rolled through ebay and haven't found the cancel I thought this was originally. But it looked much like this Dutch cancel of the 1930s (stamp only valid from Dec. 1933 to 1938, so no late usage shenanigans):

It was SOERABAJA if I remember right, with a date-like code on the other line, rather long in width like this appears to be. Is this one some kind of auxiliary marking or something else?
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Posted 06/30/2017   05:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Laurie 02 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
like the 1952 Egyptian revolution?

they overprinted bars across the image of Deposed King Farouk.

This is an example of the double bar overprint, a famous error and very collectable.


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Posted 06/30/2017   07:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice, you guys! Keep 'em coming.
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Posted 06/30/2017   1:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ddreisba to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1919 stamps of Bavaria and Wurtemberg are another example. They were a soviet state (Volksstadt) for a short while, then, after the Communists were defeated, a republic (Freiestadt), and later rejoined the Reich.

Don
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Posted 07/04/2017   07:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Laurie 02 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also in the 50's, Egypt occupied part of the new county of Israel, the Gaza strip, which is still Palestine and overprinted Egyptian stamps with "Palestine".

Here is my set.

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Posted 07/06/2017   05:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As fate would have it, I just acquired something that is similar to what I noted in the OP. Instead of paper tape, Ahmed Shah Qajar's face has been blotted out in ink. It would be nice to have a dateable cancel but I'm still happy to have this -- a mutilated stamp:

They really didn't like this guy.
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Posted 07/06/2017   07:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The most obvious examples of this type of material are all the Hitler heads obliterated at the end of WWII, both genuine and created later.
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