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Fake Cashier's Check Scam When Selling Online

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Posted 09/15/2017   10:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add txstamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This particular fraud case does not involve stamps, or ebay, but it fully applies to both, so I think its prudent to mention here. I've been trying to sell off some of my Mom's belongings, since she has moved out of her house. When ebay first came out, I bought several hundred items over the first 5 years ebay was around, but I haven't used it once since. Furthermore, I've never actually tried to sell anything online until this past month.

I listed something of my Mom's on an internet site. Immediately, I got a very accommodating individual who 'was out of town' but wanted to buy the item. He said that he would put a cashier's check in the mail to me right away. He would have a mover come pick up the item and put it in storage for him. Interesting angle. I marked the item as sold.

Two weeks later and no check, and no response to emails by him, I re-listed the item. All of a sudden, I get another email from him, saying he's going to pay me, and he just had a mix up with his 'service', but its corrected now. I politely told him, that I no longer wished to do business with anyone that was not in-person, so I had cancelled the sale.

Another two weeks go by, and I have a lot of interest in the item. This guy emails me again, and says he is sending me a cashier's check by usps express priority mail. I told him the item was sold, but not to him. So, now the guy who I sold it to (for real) comes over, and purchases the item and moves it. Nice guy. Good to have some positive re-inforcement about humanity.

I'm happy. Then I get home, and there is this USPS package with a cashier's check inside of it in my mail. The sale price for my Mom's item was a couple hundred dollars. The amount of the cashier's check is just under Two-Thousand dollars. This guy then texts me to verify that I got the check. I reply that the item is sold. It is interesting, by the way, that he mailed the check on a Wednesday with 2-day delivery so it would get to me late Friday afternoon - i.e. end of business week.

Anyway, I am sure that probably every single one of the online and ebay sellers here understand exactly what has happened here. I'm well aware of online scams and that you have to be very careful, and trust me, I'm not someone who is easily walked over. I'll be very nice until its time to not be nice. I knew that this guy was scamming me, but being inexperienced with online selling of any type, I didn't fully understand his end-game. I have yet to hear back from him, but I won't be answering any more of his emails, nor will I be attempting to cash his rubber check. I'll simply file everything away as evidence in case I need it.

I did some online research, and apparently this is a very common check fraud scam. The idea is to send a very real looking cashier's check, which the receiver (me) would then deposit. The bank would pay me, but I'd be responsible to refund their money when they discover that its a bad check. In the meantime, he'd ask for a refund of his money, or in some other way, have me wire him money back. I must say, by just looking at this check, it really looks real. Very convincing. They are obviously quite good at this. The only way that I know this is a scam, is because it simply has to be, and, because I find references to essentially exactly this scam at various fraud helper sites.

Anyway, like I said, I'm sure most of you are well dialed into this, but it was new to me, and all of this typing has helped me vent a bit, as it was a difficult day for me due to this. Finally, I would ask (just a favor) if anyone thinks that I should take any action other than what I plan to do --- simply file everything away and ignore him, let me know. The return address on the package appears fake to me - its an apartment but disguised as an attorney's firm (LLC) which has no internet presence.
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Posted 09/15/2017   11:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Payment by pay pal only is good. Even direct deposit into my bank account will please me but no way to any checks of any type.

If I buy gold from the bullion house they demands cash only because any bank check etc can be a photocopied fraud.

I get some really strange ebay emails on payment options from buyers trying to purchase my kiloware.

"Just send the kiloware to me now and I will pay you in 2 weeks."
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Posted 09/15/2017   11:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, that scam has been around since Prodigy was the main internet access for most people.
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Posted 09/15/2017   11:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is a very commonly-practiced scam on Craigslist
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Posted 09/15/2017   11:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TheArtfulHinger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I had it happen to me with something I was trying to sell on Craigslist once - similar situation, got a check for two grand for a couple hundred dollar item. I figured right off the bat it was a scam. I googled the routing number on the check but the routing number on the check didn't match the name of the bank on the check. I called the bank just to be sure and they were able to verify that the check wasn't legit. If there's any doubt at all, call the bank.
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Posted 09/16/2017   05:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moose to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Cyber Crime Unit in Cyprus has put out a warning on this scam. From what has happened in Cyprus, the 'buyer' gets in contact with the 'seller' asking for the balance of the money on the cheque to be forwarded to another account citing various reasons. Sellers have been caught out.In good faith, they have transferred the amount through paypal or some other way before waiting for the cheque to clear - which of course never does and find themselves out of pocket. In some cases, the seller mailed the item and transferred the balance before the cheque cleared.
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Posted 09/16/2017   07:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Contact the USPS - by sending a fake cashiers check through the mail, the guy just committed mail fraud (plus additional crimes - forgery, etc), a federal crime that comes with time. Keep all copies of any emails or other records and pass it along to the USPS. Might as well stop this guy in his tracks before he tries it again.
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Posted 09/16/2017   10:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
tx, I agree with Battlestamps. It's unlikely that any single complaint to USPS or any other fraud-monitoring agency will make a difference, but the cumulative effect of many such complaints might have a positive outcome.
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Posted 09/16/2017   10:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone. I sincerely appreciate every response.

I learned a couple good lessons here -

* don't take checks, period. I knew not to take personal checks, but due to not having any experience with this, I didn't connect 'Cashier's check' as being a normal check. Somehow, that phrase had more power with me than a regular check did. My mistake.

* I did not know that you can reverse-lookup a bank routing number. Thanks for letting me know. Now, I know how to spot a bad check, at least with this easy litmus test. I just reverse-looked up the routing number on this check, and there is no bank there whatsoever!

I will seriously consider reporting this to the USPS - I wasn't going to bother with the police, as I'm sure they have other things to do, but the mail fraud angle is very good.

First, however, I need to look and see if I can find any double transfers in the check, or maybe even a nice double-impression. Off with the magnifier.....
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Posted 09/16/2017   11:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One further piece of trivia here, in how the check is done.

At the bottom of my legitimate checks, the order is:

Routing Number, Account Number, Check Number


On this bad check the order is:

Check Number, Routing Number, some-other-number

So my point is, the Routing Number for the printed bank name on the check is actually correct, but its in the middle field, and not the left-most field. Also the check number matches the upper right hand corner check number, but its in the left field. The right most number, appears fabricated. I assume that these numbers have to be in their normal fixed fields on any check, and that they can't float. Clever fake. These guys have gotten pretty good.
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Posted 09/16/2017   11:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, now the scam is kicking in. Just got another email.

He has mostly spelled things correctly until now.
In the latest email, he wants me to get him another item, since he had 'eargerly' (his spelling) made plans for for the original, which I sold.

"kindly help get another as since have made the check out to you."

Gotta love it, coming from his "Law Firm near DC".

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Posted 09/16/2017   11:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd play with him as long as I could.
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Posted 09/16/2017   1:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I'd play with him as long as I could.


I agree. Waste his time.

tell him you sent him cash, and give a tracing number off a blank form at the post office.

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Posted 09/16/2017   1:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I'd play with him as long as I could.


I used to agree with that philosophy, but recently read a warning not to continue contact with these people (same with scam telemarketers). The scammer has your home address and could use the information to harass you if you mess with him. I'm not saying he would show-up at your door but he could do things like post fake personal ads on Craigslist and give prospective "dates" your home address or drug dealers or false police reports etc. etc. etc.
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Posted 09/16/2017   3:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That makes sense, I plan to just ignore him.
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Posted 09/16/2017   4:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Law Firm near DC


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