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KGV Overprint N. W. Pacific Islands

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Posted 09/21/2017   7:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My socks are gone!

That is a wonderful eBook Rod. Thanks for sharing the link.
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Edited by BeeSee - 09/21/2017 7:21 pm
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Posted 09/23/2017   04:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add castor to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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BeeSee: Excellent information Castor.


Thank you Sir.... and I hope your socks are in the wash. Actually off to the National Library next week so see what I can find...


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Rod: The Postmark is SAMARAI
The troubling bit, is the following "E"
I cannot see Samurai East, there was a North and South.


I see that now, fantastic, thank you! That is one amazing bit of lit. you supplied there. Funny how SAMARAI isn't there.... But...
Following on from your information I found the following which appears to sort out the'E'






Also in respect to this stamp (SAMARAI E.D.) I noticed two other stamps with similar compartment lines on the left side along with distortion left frame and white streak running the length inside left frame.

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Edited by castor - 09/23/2017 4:33 pm
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Posted 09/23/2017   2:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I found the following which appears to sort out the'E'


Bravo! nice research. Sorted. Thanks Castor.

I am guessing E.D = Eastern District.

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Edited by rod222 - 09/23/2017 2:19 pm
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Posted 09/23/2017   2:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add castor to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I am guessing E.D = Eastern District.


Yep, my guess too. Lucky to find both the regulations and then a postmark!

While looking at compartment lines I found this particular flaw repeated - break top left edge of frame along with a distorted lower right corner to frame.

Compartment lines in both are small - top left corner and dot lower left corner.

(ps) The ebook to the right (your added link) has a massive amount of parcel labels too!

Looked at the National Library of Australia website and saw the following:
"North-West Pacific Islands" : the nature and make-up of the different overprinting formes;
The postmarks of British New Guinea and Papua to 1942; and
The postal history of British New Guinea and Papua, 1885-1942

Is this break in the frame listed in the KGV's?


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Edited by castor - 09/23/2017 3:00 pm
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Posted 09/23/2017   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scholarship query :
Are you sure your left frame damage are "compartment lines" ?
Looks to me like die damage, compartment lines usually show more distant from the design.

Your break in frame (3.5 mm from top) is Plate 3 (e)

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Edited by rod222 - 09/23/2017 3:12 pm
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Posted 09/23/2017   4:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add castor to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Your break in frame (3.5 mm from top) is Plate 3 (e)


Thanks for that, sort of confirmation on what I gleaned from my 41st ed. ACSC (still worthwhile) - right plate, minor variety, break in left frame 3.5mm from top, October 1916, Pane V, Nos. 31 - but more information...
Plate 3 (e) 71,72,73,74(3)e....


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Are you sure your left frame damage are "compartment lines" ?
Looks to me like die damage, compartment lines usually show more distant from the design.


Is this what you're referring to as die damage? I should've included a bit of an enlargement -

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Posted 09/23/2017   5:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As you have so well described these stamps ;great information.I would like to know what are the differences between the authentic
NWPI overprints and reprints & or forgeries..
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Posted 09/23/2017   8:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Is this what you're referring to as die damage?


No, I agree compartment line intrusion.

It is this business, so major, I find it hard to understand why it hasn't been addressed,
(unless I have missed it, thus far)



Compartment Line intrusion, as I understand it.

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Edited by rod222 - 09/23/2017 8:37 pm
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Posted 09/25/2017   06:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add castor to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
perf12:

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I would like to know what are the differences between the authentic NWPI overprints and reprints & or forgeries..

This is my own view as I am totally new to this myself - the information above has only been learnt by me in the last few months as I delve into these stamps - but my thoughts are -

They are all low denomination

Which of them would be worth changing to an NWPI overprint
(some maybe, I don't know)

Possibly certain postmarks but I'd say to be worth anything they would need to be on cover also

I am in no way an expert in any sense of the word.
I do believe I read something a few months ago in relation to forged NWPI so, like most, there are probably forgeries out there.

(ps) all stamps I have shown images of are my own stamps and have been with me since about ten years of age and previous to that would be Grandma's, Great Aunts etc.. so I feel pretty safe...

Reprints -

Have to look into numbers transported and, if there is any record, how/what sheets were decided upon as those sent.

Rod:

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It is this business, so major, I find it hard to understand why it hasn't been addressed,
(unless I have missed it, thus far)


Rod, I totally agree - unless I have missed it also, but I don't think that's the case - how could this be so completely un-addressed. I have a number of stamps that I believe I can place next to each other and say the marks are so similar, some to the extent you can see the change that would occur over continued plating (if that's a word?).
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Edited by castor - 09/25/2017 06:25 am
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Posted 11/04/2017   10:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add castor to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,


Quote:
Quote Rod:
It is this business, so major, I find it hard to understand why it hasn't been addressed,
(unless I have missed it, thus far)


Quote Castor:
Rod, I totally agree - unless I have missed it also, but I don't think that's the case - how could this be so completely un-addressed. I have a number of stamps that I believe I can place next to each other and say the marks are so similar, some to the extent you can see the change that would occur over continued plating (if that's a word?).


I now understand the term to use is "slurred frame edge", it has nothing to do with compartment lines. I will have to get back to you in relation to cause as I don't want to work on memory. I believe one likely cause is build up of ink - let's wait for confirmation on that).
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Posted 11/04/2017   2:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I now understand the term to use is "slurred frame edge",


Hi Castor.
Thank you.
I did see (I think) a similar occurence in Brusden White, and it was referred to as something different.
Dashed if I can recall, if I come across it again, I'll post.

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Posted 11/05/2017   8:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add castor to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I did see (I think) a similar occurence in Brusden White, and it was referred to as something different.

Brusden White would be the correct terminology then, I will check that out when I get to the National Library.
Following are copies of pages from my excel spreadsheet. The first page of Type 6a. Second 6b showing all aspects I intend to list.
Note "A" and "W dot", these are further variations of Types 6 and 11 - further adding to their mystery.
Noting the "Flaws" column "Yes", well I suppose that's obvious seeing they are KGV stamps
If there is something I've missed that would be of interest please advise.



As per usual more edits to the pagem more descriptive and breaks up the table for easier viewing on longer tables (especially).

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Edited by castor - 11/05/2017 9:00 pm
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