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Aust 1937 2 1/2 D Overprinted Full Sheet

 
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Posted 11/03/2017   2:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add kevjon189 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So rusty here again
So the
Aust 1937 3 1/d d over print post I posted
Some one replied to saying
Quote " they only printed the sheets with 120
So next I've got a
1937 2 1/2 d kgvi red rengraved 2 d 80 stamps per sheet
One stamp missing.Does any one have a sheet like this
like I said Say John ash in 1941 he burnt and melted
the stamps and printer. In a old newspaper article
Any input for those that actually do research
Kind regards rusty.
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Posted 11/03/2017   2:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rusty, your post would have made a lot more sense if you had posted it in the original post. Now all of us are in the dark, more or less,

Peter
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Posted 11/03/2017   3:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This stamp was issued to post offices in sheets of 160, consisting of two panes, side by side, of 80 stamps.

They were printed in master sheets of 320, one sheet as above, over the other.
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Posted 11/03/2017   4:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Aussie Al to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The one missing from your half sheet must be the one that I have lol


These are not rare & never will be.
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Edited by Aussie Al - 11/03/2017 5:05 pm
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Posted 11/04/2017   07:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevjon189 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's guys be help
So are the sheets I've got
U saying common
Does any one know any one
That have them in there collection
Or is this just here say and talk of the sheets
Been looking for real evidence
Besides mine
Thanks guys
Rusty
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Posted 11/04/2017   07:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do not specialize in Australian stamps but a quick search on ebay did not show any listings for full panes. There was this listing for the non-overprinted sheet
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Austral...AOSwkShY-H~x

Perhaps the Australian specialists can tell us if the value of yours would be about the same.
Don
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Posted 11/04/2017   08:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevjon189 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cool guys
Thanks for ur input
Illl have to keep sourcing
For sheets of rengraved
3 d and the 2 d stamp
Thanks rusty
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Posted 11/04/2017   08:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 22crows to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder whether your story about John Ash burning stamps was actually about the projected issue for Edward VIII.

https://www.theguardian.com/artandd...-edward-viii
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Posted 11/04/2017   5:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add langtounlad to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John Ash had no involvement in these overprints (not re-engraved as Kevjon189 describes it).

Ash retired in April 1940 and the overprints were printed in December 1941 by W McCracken. They resulted from the imposition of a war surcharge as the new definitives with the tax were not ready for production.

Regards
Frank
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Edited by langtounlad - 11/04/2017 5:53 pm
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Posted 11/04/2017   6:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
He knows exactly what he is doing right down to the abbreviations.

Be very careful.
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Posted 11/04/2017   11:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add langtounlad to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kevjon189

Can you please post an enlarged scan at say 600resolution of the imprint.

Regards
Frank
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Posted 11/05/2017   01:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rusty

McCracken was a little lazy with printing stamps, for a little while he reissued stamps still with the Ash imprint. Ask was the government printer from 1927-1940, he died in 1947. McCracken was the government printer from 1940-1963.

I have both imprints from the 1941 overprints. The sheet you are showing is not the full sheet, just imagine your 80 stamps plus a blank gutter and then another 80 stamps, that is a full sheet, you have one panel of a sheet of 160.

Regardless of the missing stamp, if that panel was rare I can assure you I would be making an offer to buy it from you. The quantity issued of the 2½d surcharge overprint is 32,366,400; it will never reach any status above very common, In the ACSC (Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue) it is valued at $2.00 per stamp x 79 = $158. The Stanley Gibbons Catalogue values the 2½d surcharge overprint at £1.00 each.

It would be a waste of money buying a panel of 1941 surcharges, they are cheaper than chips and have no real monetary value and never will.

Every stamp dealer has these in stock, so trying to sell that panel to them would be to no avail as there is no interest in dealers buying them because of the issue quantity; if the overprints were misplaced considerably then you would be looking at a market value of $31,600+; a figure that I would have no hesitation in offering.

Quoting Frank

Quote:
John Ash had no involvement in these overprints (not re-engraved as Kevjon189 describes it).
Ash retired in April 1940 and the overprints were printed in December 1941 by W McCracken. They resulted from the imposition of a war surcharge as the new definitives with the tax were not ready for production.

His comment is accurate, and Ash did not melt the stamps and printer, he replaced obsolete presses and destroyed the unissued King Edward VIII plates and any stamps created from it (22 crows was correct about the KEVIII stamps), as ordered by the Postmaster-General's Department, the only issues survived were 6 and that was from the John Ash estate, he was an avid philatelist.

Quoting itma

Quote:
This stamp was issued to post offices in sheets of 160, consisting of two panes, side by side, of 80 stamps.

They were printed in master sheets of 320, one sheet as above, over the other.

He is also correct.

I do a lot of research on Australian stamps and have been doing so for 45 years, and I can assure you the stamps you show is only good for show and tell, nothing more. If you do not believe me, take that panel to any stamp dealer and see if any will be interested, you will be disappointed.


Notice McCracken's early use of the Ash imprint on the 1941 overprints, and then his own.


Image of John Ash (Government printer 1927-1940)


Rob
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Edited by Rob041256 - 11/05/2017 01:52 am
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Posted 11/05/2017   02:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Don

I looked at the ebay item for sale from the link you provided. It has the usual crease through the selvedge (back right), and I noticed it has a serious case of rust throughout the top selvedge.

He would need to remove the top selvedge or the stamps will be affected. The stamps have the same ACSC value as the 2½d surcharge overprint, in this case the quantity for the 1941 mauve 2d is 42,240,000 with an additional printing of 16,800,000 with coil perforations. They are very, very common.

For "mojo27811" to say "RARE hard to find sheets of this quantity are hard to find!. As Darryl Kerrigan (Michael Caton) from "The Castle" would say "Tell him he's dreaming".

I personally know Michael Caton and Jack Thompson (Spyforce, The Chant of Billy Blacksmith, Breaker Morant, Petersen, Caddie etc, etc). Jack is a small bloke and Michael, quite tall.

Rob
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Edited by Rob041256 - 11/05/2017 02:23 am
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