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1c 1851, 13-14l2, I Think, Haven't Received Yet

 
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Posted 10/07/2017   6:56 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add ray.mac to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I know...it was Apfelbaum, but I've made some really nice buys from them, and have returned several with faults not listed.

Just bought this yesterday and thought from the darker color and filmy look that I might have scored a Plate 3, but then saw the flaw in the lower left corner of the left stamp, so it looks like 13L2-- I have 2 other copies of this (imperf and perf), with 14L2 in a nice pair.



If this is sound, I'll be very happy with this pair!
Thought I'd show it....Ray
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Posted 10/07/2017   7:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very beautiful pair!

I would be happy to own them with or without faults.
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Posted 10/07/2017   8:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You scored a 13L2 with part of "big flaw", and it wasn't advertised as such???

I'm jealous and that's a good pick up!
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Posted 10/07/2017   10:34 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good job! I might have to look at the Apfelbaum sales once in a while. It can't be much worse than ebay.
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Posted 10/08/2017   3:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good going. Way back, I scored several nice things from Apfelbaum. They are a mine field, for sure, so watch your step.
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Posted 10/13/2017   11:01 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Received today-- definitely 13-14L2...with a nice showing of "The Big Flaw" on the lower left corner of the left stamp.



Here is the perforated version I picked up a couple of years ago-- with a wide left margin it shows a lot more of the flaw:

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Posted 10/14/2017   10:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They're both very nice, but I loved the left margin of the perfed version. What a great view!
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Posted 10/14/2017   2:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add quigngt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If I am mistaken, then someone with knowledge of these please inform. Here's my opinion: it appears to have been printed with a plate that was cracked (other cause?). if so, I think that is a different issue than a stamp with a flaw caused AFTER printing, I also believe that the pair does not have a flaw as we normally think of as a flaw. They have VF-XF centering for this issue and does not appear to have tears, scuffs, scratches or other face flaws. No photo of the reverse side so I can't comment on whether or not there is a thin. From years of viewing stamps I have noticed the plate flaws such as has this pair often brought a premium. Never the less, I'm sure, that some collectors reject stamps with plate flaws. I personally like them.
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Posted 10/14/2017   3:10 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
quigngt, it was formerly referred to as "the Big Crack", until it was determined that it wasn't a crack in the plate, but a flaw in the metal. Very well documented- here is a image from the Neinken book:



Mine is the right stamp in the middle row, 13L2.
Hope this helps! Ray
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Posted 10/14/2017   3:25 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
quigngt-- AND you're absolutely correct...it should definitely have brought a premium, but the seller did not notice it.

The #7 had a CV in '16 of $135, but the major crack (Scott still has it as major "crack") cats for $400. I bought the pair for $120, and thought it was a pretty nice buy.....

Ray
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Posted 10/14/2017   9:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jmt406 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Really neat pair ray.mac! Love the plate crack/flaw positions; thanks for sharing!
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Posted 10/14/2017   11:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great pickup, Ray! Especially in a pair with nice margins. Thanks for showing it!

Here is my 13L2L, with delicate crack lines:

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Posted 10/14/2017   11:43 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
CC-- Nice stamp! Looks like the examples that Neinken gives for an early impression. Nice margins, centering.
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