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Small Queens (Montreal Gazette) And Registration Stamp

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Posted 12/01/2017   4:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, then that's a failed theory. Sorry about that.
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Posted 12/01/2017   6:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don't apologise - thanks for showing those nice registration stamps.
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Posted 12/01/2017   6:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BeeSee

When you have a minute could you explain your perf gauge (for the SCF), a copy I have from yoy and I did not re-perf my Sm Queens since it is quite long and have used Unitrade's - Thanks !

Rene
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Posted 12/03/2017   06:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello BeeSee again,

thank you for your answer - I couldn't look at my small queen until now, but I just have checked the perforations very long under loupe and can say that it's:

12 vertical
12 at the bottom
12.25 at the top

So it's not 11.9 or 12.1 for the other sides, but clearly 12. You are right that it's more difficult to check the horizontal ones, but for sure they are different for top and bottom, and they match quite nicely to the mentioned numbers while they pretty don't match to the next perf numbers.

I am not a longterm stamp expert and not for Canada anyway, so perhaps somebody with more knowledge could have a look at the picture if there is anything to say about the perforations, do they look good?

And can we say about what time and printing city we talk for this stamp?

(I adapted the colors so that they are very good now, it's more an orange than a red)

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Posted 12/04/2017   08:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stamperix: Both 11.9 (K66) and 12.1 (K65) are Kiusalas gauges, but as your stamp shows, it gauges outside Kiusalas.
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Posted 12/05/2017   05:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the perforation does not fit to any of the Kiusalas gauge. It matches bottom and sides the 12, which is also on the "possible small queen gauge" the Kiusala K65.6. The top matches the 12.25 (K64.3) or 12.19 (K64.6), that's really hard to tell. But I think the most interesting part is the difference between top and bottom, that's why I wonder if it could be reperforated, and if not, what stamp I have here.
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Posted 12/05/2017   12:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Like you said, it could be reperforated with a different gauge or a damaged set of paired perforation pin and hole wheels were replaced with a different paired set.
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Posted 12/05/2017   1:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
a damaged set of paired perforation pin and hole wheels were replaced with a different paired set.


Is this why the Small Queens require their own perf gauge? Why are there so many different perf gauges?
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Posted 12/05/2017   2:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Response has not been given yet...."What is the small queen (37)posted by stamperix ?".. an orange red that has faded (Morris color guide) ?? Guide not very good on a scan, however.
Thanks !
Rene
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Edited by Renden - 12/05/2017 2:44 pm
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Posted 12/05/2017   3:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The way I see it it is a mid-1880's Montreal print. The guide dot helps indicate that. The shade looks orange-red on my monitor which would be normal to that period. I even have some "perfect orange" shaded stamps for this period.

As for the perforations, what Jogil said is possible about replacement wheels. Also, bent pins could be causing a false reading.

I have superimposed the bottom on the top and shown possible bent pins, bent towards the length. It is always difficult to get horizontal perfs on the small queens, not matter how accurate the gauge.

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Posted 12/05/2017   4:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What is your verdict (or diagnosis), Beesee......37........orane red, Montreal printing ? based on perf....not a variety (Unitrade) ?

Rene
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Posted 12/05/2017   4:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I meant to say number 37 Rene
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Posted 12/05/2017   4:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with you, BeeSee....orange red (faded a bit) Unitrade/Scott 37, Montreal printing, but the discussion of perfs is quite interesting.....makes you wonder re: difficulty of small queens id, with all our catalogues etc.
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