1c 1851 Plate 1-Late Stamps

A lot of nice stamps recently posted.

The 4R1L is a later impression - at least 1855, as you can see the plate bruise starting to show in the vertical ink smear through the O of postage. That gets really strong the later you get.

Thanks for the info, txstamp--I did not know this.

71R1L ?

Stallzer - I took a real good look at this one for you.
Doporto mentions an error on the Nienken drawings and that 51R1L is actually 71R1L. The 51R1L and 71R1L on Doporto's site are real close and very faint marks, so I went a different route. I went to my database and loaded 51R1L and 71R1L from the full sheet at high res. Lined the images up so I could flip back and forth to look for differences. I came up with a few interesting items and maybe plate marks not noted before. I put your image to each one at the upper left corner and marked some areas of interest.

I think it is 51RL. Other opinions welcome.




EDIT: I revised the links and added another image (thanks to dudley).
I am thinking that faint line may be a plating mark for 51R1L.

Here is Stallzer's stamp with the marks pointed out that I think are plating marks for 52R1L. Horizontal lines are what I am looking at. The "U" is flat on bottom and turns up at right evenly. The 71 appears to get thin in the "U" as it starts up on right side. On the sets of 3, Stallzer's stamp is the middle image on both to compare to 51 and 71 on each side of it. Am I way off track? Can anyone else confirm these lines on 51R1L?

Unfortunately I don't have time to study this in depth, but some quick thoughts for this in particular -

- maybe get back to studying the recuts very closely.
They are usually the best and most consistent plate 1L mark.

- don't limit yourself to just the two positions you are looking at ..
just yet - although I see why you are looking at them.

The top and bottom recut lines on 51R1l and 71RL are almost identical. That is what prompted me to search further for plating marks. Here are the recut images in groups of 3. Top stamp is always Stallzer's, second is from the full sheet and last is marked with the pos number.






EDIT: I have examined this stamp and the two positions and cannot find any other plating marks to differentiate between 51R1L and 71R1L. If anyone has any high res images of either of the two positions, I would appreciate a copy for further research. I would like anyone to put in their opinions on the position of stallzer's stamp with the help of these images or any other means.

Here is a nice 4R1L that I just acquired.
It must be a later copy as the blur above the "O" is pronounced.




EDIT: Revised image label to correctly ID the type II. Thanks for the reminder.

Change your label on you 4R1L... type 2, scott 7
Nice stamp

Oops. Lol. Forgot to change the label.

One quick observation from your nice scans above - jaxom - the stamp is definitely NOT 71R1L. The top recut at left absolutely does not match.

So 71R is eliminated for sure.

But neither is it 51R1L, IMO. The top line does not show the same split as does 51R1L.

OK, so let us take a closer look at the top left recut.
Same order as before.

Hows 31R ? - looks like it has a shot

On 51R I agree with the lack of a split top.

Lucky 31R....next

jaxom - I appreciate your scans. My eyesight isn't where it used to be and that helps.