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Posted 12/12/2017   2:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add alub to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
What is the point of putting a photo on your certificate if it does not show the entire item being judged?



And then there is the price....
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Posted 12/12/2017   2:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add edgarsrasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cert for the other part is extra $
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Posted 12/12/2017   2:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add edgarsrasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the certificate issuer is from Latvia. Shady guy... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Stolow
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Posted 12/12/2017   2:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stolow was an interesting guy:

John D. Apfelbaum, one of the biggest names in American stamp collecting, pleaded guilty Jan. 28, 2002 to two felony counts of violating the Sherman Antitrust Act in a criminal probe of bid rigging at stamp auctions. ... Apfelbaum and seven other stamp dealers, by agreeing not to bid against each other, are accused of swindling collectors and auction houses....

The individual who alerted authorities to the activities of the alleged conspiracy is stamp dealer Gregory Stolow. Stolow is the son of Julius Stolow and the nephew of Henry Stolow, both deceased. Operating as J. and H. Stolow, the brothers were among the world's biggest stamp dealers from the 1940s to the 1970s.

The lawsuit did not say how Stolow learned about the ring. "Stolow did not participate directly in the Ring, but bid for stamp lots through one or more Ring members," the suit said. "At some point after June 1997, Stolow wrote letters or spoke to Ring members, and sought money for refraining from disclosing the Ring's activities to others. The Ring members were unable to reach an accord with Stolow. Nonetheless, Stolow initially kept his allegations within the Ring, and later, within the community of stamp dealers."

Apfelbaum and seven other stamp dealers, by agreeing not to bid against each other, are accused of swindling collectors and auction houses.

http://www.stampsmauritius.com/Apfe...dsGuilty.htm
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Posted 12/13/2017   01:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sorsh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These agreements on not bidding against each other and even dividing auctionhouses between dealers still exist to this day in many countries.
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Posted 12/13/2017   04:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think the guy's stamp & the stamp on the certificate are the same??
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Posted 12/13/2017   07:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
#20417? So the seller either started at 20416 or they have written quite a few of these.
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Posted 12/13/2017   09:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wtcrowe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stolow "Certificates" were not certificates like the ones produced by PF, APS, PSE, etc. If you read the reverse it tells you that if you return the stamp, the certificate, the original invoice and lot sheet that the stamp came on J & H Stolow would refund your money if there was a problem with the stamp. It was just an early marketing gimmick for the stamp business.
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Posted 12/13/2017   09:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wtcrowe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And yes they were a major seller of stamps in NYC in the 1960s and 1970s.
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