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Authenticity Of These Two Classic Uruguay Stamps?

 
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Posted 12/27/2017   6:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add chris2015 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all,

Can anyone comment on the authenticity of these two classic Uruguay stamps from my collection. I believe they are Scott #8 and 13:

Scott #8


Scott #13


Thanks so much!
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Posted 12/27/2017   6:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A quick look (no guarantee), they have many of the markings of genuines, based on my sources.

Note: I'm not an expert,nor do I play one while staying at the Holiday Inn Express. On the other hand, this stuff isn't rocket science either.
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Posted 12/27/2017   6:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hi: Checkout this link. Scroll down too Philatelic Studies.
http://www.filateliauruguaya.com/index_e.html
The 80c I beleive is a sperati forgery;Link below:
http://www.clubfilatelicodeluruguay...lSperati.pdf

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Posted 12/27/2017   6:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Both look like forgeries but are a lot better than most forgeries ,I have the FOURNIER Forgeries and the eyes are totally different, also the sun rays don't look right . Let me scan a real one when I get home .
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Posted 12/27/2017   7:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Have a look at:
http://stampworld.ca/Website/south-...ica/uruguay/

Seems to match genuine characteristics given.

Neither is a Fournier forgery (compare above). Neither is a Sperati forgery (compare above; I also have a copy of the book illustrating his forgeries.) EDIT: Your 80c does not have the thin line connecting the "T" and "E" of "MONTEVIDEO", the extreme thinning of the bottom of the "8", or the flaws as shown in left "CORREOS". Therefore, it's not a Sperati forgery. "8" of "80" is always backwards-looking on genuine and fakes, if you were wondering.

#13 I think is a brown lilac, #13b.
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Posted 12/27/2017   7:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yours look good ,I didn't remember the wavey lines in the sun rays ,but the real ones have them .
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Posted 12/27/2017   7:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chris2015 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for your comments and reference materials, much appreciated!


Quote:
On the other hand, this stuff isn't rocket science either.

I don't know, sure feels like it sometimes
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Posted 12/28/2017   09:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know if the Serrane Guide (for forgeries of classics), published by the APS, is still available from them. Might be worth an inquiry.
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Posted 12/28/2017   09:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chris2015 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks.

A quick online search and I found one for $112.50 and some grainy scans, unfortunately I don't read French.

There are several good modern online sites for counterfeits that are very useful, such as the ones referenced above.
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Posted 12/28/2017   10:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some past activity on scf about these values ;
https://www.stampcommunity.org/topi...IC_ID=46115&
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